Saturday, June 24, 2006

Guild Drama

My guild is going through some major drama at the moment. I'm not going to get into specifics, as I've seen some blogs descend into flamewars when someone posts something that another person feels is unfair.

However, we're up to Ragnaros, and it's this point that I think the greatest stress on a new raiding guild appears. I've seen several guilds run into trouble at this point. It really has nothing to do with Ragnaros, just that this is the point in time when the guild structure is really tested.

A guild has usually been in existence for a couple months, and for a lot of this time period guild members are proceeding in spite of any flaws in the guild structure. They are taking things on faith, that the officers will sort out flaws eventually. The officers, meanwhile, are mostly learning how to run a guild. Their solutions are jury-rigged, and fixes to mask the fundamental flaws in the initial structure. Sometimes a guildmaster is holding their guild together through pure force of personality.

Additionally, bad habits may have started in the guild, and the officers only realize that these habits are negatively affecting the guild far too late, after they have become entrenched. The problem is that most officers don't really know how to build a successful guild when they start. In a lot of ways, it's something that you can only learn by doing. And if you are an officer in a successful guild, why are you starting a new guild?

Eventually, though, faith runs out. And then a guild's core structure becomes tested. If it is good, the guild survives. If not, the guild either changes or dies.

Edit: To be clear, I don't think it's the Ragnaros fight that causes the problem. It's more that by the time you get to Ragnaros, you have MC on farm, loot is being to flow steadily.

It is at this point where deficiencies in structure begin to show up. People start wondering at percieved unfairness in loot distribution, problems with attendance, problems with rules, etc. At the start of MC, you're more willing to push through in spite of things like this, because it's new, and the high of downing bosses the first few times makes up for a lot.

9 comments:

Alindra said...

Geeze, that stinks that you're facing more guild drama yet again. I've never faced such an issue, so I can't really relate. All I will say is, good luck to you and your guild, so that things get sorted out sucessfully!

Thoma said...

Yeah. Rags tends to make or break you. Razorgore tends to have that effect as well.

Kinless said...

Same happened to my guild. About the time we started on Ragnaros and thinking about BWL we decided our casual past had to be left behind. A group, led by the GM, broke off and created a new "raiders" branch of the guild.

They took down Chromaggus in less than a month and Ragnaros is on farm status.

There comes a time that reinvention is necessary, and that's one of them. (The start of MC was another such time for us. We did the same break and reinvention.)

Maybe said...

I agree with your comment about guild leaders sometimes having to hold guilds together with sheer force of personality. I love my guild leader and as long as she's still in charge, I'm good to go.

Anonymous said...

If you think Ragnaros breaks guilds, wait until you get to Vael. He has the nickname Guildbreaker for a reason.

GSH said...

To be clear, I don't think it's Ragnaros that causes the problem. It's more that by the time you get to Ragnaros, you have MC on farm, loot is being to flow steadily.

It is at this point where deficiencies in structure begin to show up. People start wondering at percieved unfairness in loot distribution, problems with attendance, problems with rules, etc. At the start of MC, you're more willing to push through in spite of things like this, because it's new, and the high of downing bosses the first few times makes up for a lot.

Thoma said...

Vael just sucks. The guild I'm in is up to Battleguard Satura (down to 34% last night) and we still wipe on Vael. Vael is a pure random luck encounter.

The key to a guild is when you screw up and screw up badly. If you handle it well, then it's all good. If screaming happens, you're screwed. We had the mother of bad pulls on Ghennas on Friday night. One of the new warriors was learning to tank, and the MT tells him he has the left one (meaning Ghennas's add) but the off tank think's we're still pulling trash and grabs the left side of a giant pair.

A bit of chaos for a moment but we burned down Ghennas's adds, then the giants then Ghennas. And we laughed our asses off at it. That's a healthy raid mixture.

Hexapuma said...

We're getting closer to Ragnaros... will be interesting to see if we get a bit of drama as well.

It is bound to happen to us sooner or later as we are expanding very quickly...

Syarkta said...

If Rags is putting stress on your guild, Vael will crush you.

I don't speak this lightly, I watched my last guild die because of Vael (2nd boss in BWL).