tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post2648716744131960912..comments2024-01-04T02:49:23.470-08:00Comments on Blessing of Kings: When Did Healing Become So Hard?Rohanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-47590927452883611582009-01-05T08:45:00.000-08:002009-01-05T08:45:00.000-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-67080143115385551712009-01-01T10:20:00.000-08:002009-01-01T10:20:00.000-08:00@anon - I only have 2 80s, but my experience was t...@anon - I only have 2 80s, but my experience was that non-heroics were significantly easier than heroics. I.e., non-heroics were a bit easier (AOE not CC) than I expected and heroics were a bit harder. YMMV. But when your 76 gets to 80 you may find heroics more challenging. Regardless, Good Luck!Haguhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03726885305104254286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-13561237341731192952009-01-01T06:57:00.000-08:002009-01-01T06:57:00.000-08:00"I bit the bullet and respecced to Holy today..."I bit the bullet and respecced to Holy today. I very quickly got into a Heroic Utgarde Keep run. My immediate thought:<BR/><BR/>'Wow, when did healing become so hard?'"<BR/><BR/>I apologize if this sounds blunt, but it became hard when you decided to learn how to heal in a heroic.<BR/><BR/>My latest character (after 3 dps & 2 tanks) is a healer. At 76 now, I haven't really had any major problems, largely because I've been playing as a healer since 68. I learned how to heal in regular instances before I jumped to the heroics.<BR/><BR/>There are level 80 non-heroic instances you can learn in. There are instances below 80 you can learn in. There are group quests you can learn to heal in. Find the level of difficulty that you are comfortable with, and start learning there. Heroics and raids are <B>not</B> the place to learn the basics of your class.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-2216241177009415122008-12-30T23:51:00.000-08:002008-12-30T23:51:00.000-08:00I leveled my paladin from 10 to 70 holy but this t...I leveled my paladin from 10 to 70 holy but this time I went ret to get to 80. <BR/><BR/>Tried to go back to holy at 80 did all right but the only way I found to keep the tank up is by spamming flash of light as fast as I could. <BR/><BR/>As strange as it may sound the guild I'm in has a lot of healers and not that many DPS so I switched back to ret but now I just need to get my DPS up it stays around 1500 to 1700 and it drives me crazy the DK doing 2200 DPS...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-32069019459565595682008-12-29T11:39:00.000-08:002008-12-29T11:39:00.000-08:00I want to ask one question: If you don't like bein...I want to ask one question: If you don't like being Holy but are speccing that way to get groups, have you considered Prot? Tanks are not quite as in demand as healers, but they are in far more demand than DPSers. Prot is probably the best it's ever been now, as well.<BR/><BR/>I find Prot enjoyable, first and foremost. I also find it pretty easy to start my own groups as Prot or to join PUGs as Prot, particularly raid PUGs.<BR/><BR/>Now, getting uncrittable right at 80 can be tough without having chosen the right quest rewards. A lot of crafted stuff (Tempered Saronite, Dauntless stuff) has very high Defense on it. Getting gear/glyph from Revered with Wyrmrest and then Argent Crusade plus that crafted stuff might get you there all by itself. <BR/><BR/>Just a thought. I'm sure you know about Maintankadin, but I'll throw it out there as a resource.<BR/><BR/>Anytime I've thought about going Ret, I've immediately thought about how DPS is a dime a dozen. Looking forward to dual specs, but for now it's good to play a role that is in demand. <BR/><BR/>Last note I'll make about Ret, since that seems to be your spec of choice - a DPSer who is known to put up good numbers can still get groups, and Ret can definitely do that right now. But you'll have to get to know people first, or else advertise yourself as doing 2000+ (or whatever) DPS. <BR/><BR/>While DPS is a dime a dozen, really GOOD DPS is not as commoditized.<BR/><BR/>Fedaykin98Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-39796595604858048712008-12-29T11:38:00.000-08:002008-12-29T11:38:00.000-08:00As Ret, i take pride in using my Repent, using my ...As Ret, i take pride in using my Repent, using my HOJ to interupt a fear (those pesky DK trolls in Drak'theron Keep)judging wisdom or Light if i know the fight will be a longer one with no enrage timer. Throwing a SS on the tank, or anyone else taking splash damage. These types of things can be the difference between a wipe and a one shot agains King Dred on heroic. we arent a pure dps class so we need to use all the tricks at our disposal. i do it so i dont have to pay a 50g repair bill, but you can justify it anyway you want.<BR/>lol<BR/><BR/>oh and BTW,<BR/>Sacred Shield+Art of War Proc+FOL HOT glyph= 2INSTANT HOT's on a Ret Pally at once. Art of War Proc's Constantly. Get an addon like Proculus that tells you when you have an Art of War proc. your FOL crit chance should be over 70% even in marginal gear. great for grinding.Chromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499871437530558993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-37269194522688949612008-12-29T09:46:00.000-08:002008-12-29T09:46:00.000-08:00Great post. Couldn't agree more, when I first star...Great post. Couldn't agree more, when I first started doing heroics as a holy paladin I was overwhelmed. But as you get more sp and haste (or crit) you'll notice you won't use the Beacon as much. I basically only use it on Patchwerk in 10 man naxx currently, besides that I feel like it's overkill on trash pulls and most folks I know use it to inflate their HPS in recount. /cry<BR/><BR/>One little tip, if you quest as all at holy, I learned this weekend if you keep sacred shield on yourself, most mobs can't touch ya. I use blessing/judgement of wisdom and while doing Hodir dailies, my mana nor health go down, as long as I keep both up. Saves good money on food (barely even use divine plea while grinding anymore) and makes it fun to run around "invicibile" as a holy pally blowing multiple mobs up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-3999383713343371422008-12-29T09:11:00.000-08:002008-12-29T09:11:00.000-08:00@Absitively: I think one of the reasons some folk...@Absitively: I think one of the reasons some folks like me when in "Ret Mode" is that I *do* watch what's going on around me and throw a Repentence on an extra mob or drop a few heals if things get a little messy on a pull.<BR/><BR/>@Rohan: Some of the things that have made healing more manageable for me when raiding (as we are still short healers - though I got to go Ret this weekend for a couple bosses)...<BR/><BR/>-- Mini-PW:Shield (SS) and Bacon can be tracked by ZOMGBuffs. Visual button with timer and click to recast FTW.<BR/><BR/>-- Linking a "+SP on use" trinket via macro with Divine Plea will mitigate a good amount of the 20% healing loss when DP is active.<BR/><BR/>-- Despite its cost, I keep Bacon up on the tank 90%+ of the time. In 5-mans, it is invaluable for topping off AoE damage while ensuring the tank gets healed.<BR/><BR/>-- For raiding, BoK is the responsibility of the Ret paladin so I don't spec for it. In 5-mans, probably a good thing to spec for.<BR/><BR/>-- Judgement of Light... DoTimer... already mentioned in another post, but I'll mention it again. Passive healing for melee (and next patch applies JoL procs to ranged stuff, too, I think), and you keep the Haste buff on yourself without worry.<BR/><BR/>-- Divine Favor/Holy Shock combo (macroed, even better) will set up a fast HL behind it in tight spots. If Light's Grace is active and you have haste of any sort, that HL will cast < 1 sec.<BR/><BR/>-- Though not live yet, plan on getting FoL glyph for another 5% crit!Heywood Djiblomihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01424315448841746864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-78710757224469278892008-12-29T08:57:00.000-08:002008-12-29T08:57:00.000-08:00Holy pally healing is now about preparation. If yo...Holy pally healing is now about preparation. If you don't have a beacon and a seal up before the pull, you'll need to burn some GCDs to get caught-up. <BR/><BR/>Talk with your tank before you start the instance. Tell them to 'Wait for Bacon' before pulling. Then make sure to re-seal yourself before beacon-ing the tank. <BR/><BR/>I must say that it is a lot more of a challenge to heal these daysMichael Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11812909610665668428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-74013535530877778022008-12-29T08:45:00.000-08:002008-12-29T08:45:00.000-08:00I have felt your pain. I also agree with fellow ...I have felt your pain. I also agree with fellow posters you will develop a routine and it will become second nature to you to cast SS before the pull and judge at the pull. I only use BoL when I know that two people will be taking a lot of damage or when we hit a sticky situation due to the high mana cost. It is definately a steep learning curve with all the new spells. <BR/>Hang in there you will get it.Eidlhehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09839308377544188528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-61494656931635791612008-12-29T08:44:00.000-08:002008-12-29T08:44:00.000-08:00I have felt your pain. I also agree with fellow ...I have felt your pain. I also agree with fellow posters you will develop a routine and it will become second nature to you to cast SS before the pull and judge at the pull. I only use BoL when I know that two people will be taking a lot of damage or when we hit a sticky situation due to the high mana cost. It is definately a steep learning curve with all the new spells. <BR/>Hang in there you will get it.Eidlhehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09839308377544188528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-67178576289373538412008-12-29T07:34:00.000-08:002008-12-29T07:34:00.000-08:00Nevermind that part about Spell Power. I just che...Nevermind that part about Spell Power. I just checked your armory and you're better equipped than I am ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-32584372118103171112008-12-29T06:48:00.000-08:002008-12-29T06:48:00.000-08:00You are exactly right when you say "face rolling t...You are exactly right when you say "face rolling through instances as DPS". DPS is easily the easiest, most boring job I've done in WoW as a Paladin. Tanking is a bit harder, but not overly so. Healing is the most challenging thing I've done in game and that's why I'm sticking with it. It's the only thing that can get my heart pumping.<BR/><BR/>Some thoughts: I really struggled with healing heroics until I got to where I am now at 1400 Spell Power. I also have _almost_ 30% crit. Those two together makes healing heroics a lot easier because my FoL's crit for great amounts.<BR/><BR/>One thing that you can't underestimate as a healer is the brain activity of your DPS. The final battle in hUK is a prime example as well as Loken in HoL. DPS can't just "take the damage" anymore.<BR/><BR/>Keep up the good fight! Paladin healers don't need an HoT. We don't need an AoE heal either. We are a very powerful healing class with a TON to offer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-59680574020850645252008-12-29T06:34:00.000-08:002008-12-29T06:34:00.000-08:00If dps dies to the last boss of UK that means they...If dps dies to the last boss of UK that means they don't know the fight. Please inform them to run away when dark smash is being cast. Ivagnar(or whatever his name is?) does not hit very hard except for his smash/dark smash. Provided everyone cleared away from that attack you should be keeping the tank up with ease...while running behind the pillars for the silence and avoiding the axe.<BR/><BR/>Now I'm not saying healing that boss is easy for a paladin. A paladin healing Ivagnar is probably the worst class for that boss. However UK is one of the easiest heroics out there so you should be able to make it through. Remember you can bubble if your silenced and the tank is near dead.....<BR/><BR/>Point being tank should never be close to dead and the guy doesn't hit hard, so maybe the tank just sucked? Obviously the dps needed some coaching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-44142564810522073352008-12-29T06:31:00.000-08:002008-12-29T06:31:00.000-08:00I respec'd to resto from enhance to make getting h...I respec'd to resto from enhance to make getting heroic groups easier. And yes, 1 - healing is much trickier in heroics this time around, and 2 - DPS have it pretty easy. <BR/><BR/>Honestly, the way blizz made instances this go around, they should be embarrassed with the default UI. <BR/><BR/>I use healbot, which is similar to grid but easier to set up I found. <BR/><BR/>I've since respec'd back to Enhance (waiting for dual specs) but managed to heal through every heroic pretty much. Although I failed at the last boss in HoL. Only got 2 attempts in though. <BR/><BR/>In a boss fight, DPS usually have to know 1 or 2 gimmicks. Don't stand in the cloud, Kill the adds, break the thing that's encased a group member. <BR/><BR/>Healers have to deal with the gimmick of lots of splash damage, AoE silences, Random charges interrupting casting. Dots and all the other crap the DPS have to worry about. <BR/><BR/>As a DPS I could go in to a heroic pretty much blind and be caught up on the strat after once sentence. <BR/><BR/>As a healer I wouldn't step foot in a roic without knowing the ins and outs of each boss, and sometimes the trash. <BR/><BR/>It's a steep learning curve. Stick with it.Ashunahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08219316550952265454noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-30263372793833311722008-12-28T15:20:00.000-08:002008-12-28T15:20:00.000-08:00I think that Blizzard went to considerable effort ...I think that Blizzard went to considerable effort to make the classes more convoluted and unpleasant to play - e.g. affliction warlock. <BR/><BR/>And a certain small, vocal minority approve of the changes. Myself and IMHO the majority do not really want to be doing a raid dance while managing a 10-spell rotation.<BR/><BR/>Oh well, after Blizzard "adresses" healing like they promised, I predict things will be much worse.Haguhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03726885305104254286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-46083200546543864952008-12-28T15:10:00.000-08:002008-12-28T15:10:00.000-08:00I think alot of the problem is that with healing, ...I think alot of the problem is that with healing, timing is everything. i.e. cast the heal too soon, and you'll completely overheal, and then while you are mid cast on the next heal your tank takes 2 giant dmg spikes. Blizz really needs to figure out a good way to deal with overhealing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-34480485185410357002008-12-28T14:11:00.000-08:002008-12-28T14:11:00.000-08:00keep in mind that healing heroics are much much ha...keep in mind that healing heroics are much much harder than healing raids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-34568773355860566452008-12-28T07:15:00.000-08:002008-12-28T07:15:00.000-08:00Dear Holy Pally Friend, I feel your pain.I just ma...Dear Holy Pally Friend, I feel your pain.<BR/><BR/>I just made my own post actually on the terror that is healing in Wrath as a Holy Pally.<BR/><BR/>I do agree with the comments above: Grid makes getting to those who need a heal much quicker and indeed if you get in the practice of Seal/BoL/SS/JoL it becomes second nature.<BR/><BR/>Another thing I do is macro Divine Favor to Holy Shock. If you are talented correctly that will give you an instant FoL, very helpful when you're on the move and things get hairy.<BR/><BR/>Lastly a word on the UK boss. I actually don't target him at all or have him set as a focus. He makes a noise before the silence, which I quickly learned to listen for and stop casting.<BR/><BR/>Glad to know I'm not the only one having trouble!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-1938678655815196482008-12-28T05:59:00.000-08:002008-12-28T05:59:00.000-08:00For Pete's sake, people, enough!It used to be 'Pal...For Pete's sake, people, enough!<BR/><BR/>It used to be 'Paladin healing is boring, all we do is spam Flash of Light over and over'. Now we've gotten new tools to work with, and now everyone's complaining that they can't manage it, the learning curve is too high, the durations are too quick. You want a 30 minute duration on Seals? You want a 30 minute duration on Beacon? You want a true AoE heal? You want a true HoT? Do you want Paladins to be the only healers in the game?<BR/><BR/>The new stuff means we have to think about healing differently. I personally love it, it feels much more active, a little more frenetic. Embrace the change! Keep working at it! Soon you will wonder what you were complaining about, it will be second nature. And then we can find something else to gripe about!<BR/><BR/>Note: this is not directed so much at Rohan as at some of the commenters above. /rant off :)<BR/><BR/>Anonymous 6Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-25936725960284031722008-12-28T02:28:00.001-08:002008-12-28T02:28:00.001-08:00I will also add that lately with AoE tanking avali...I will also add that lately with AoE tanking avaliable to all classes of tanks you see less and less CC. This makes things hard for the healer but who cares!<BR/><BR/>The tanks say "look how good I am I can hold 5 at a time"<BR/>The DPS say "look how much DPS I do with AoE, please join them"<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile the healer goes crazy trying to keep everybody alive!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-51704357384975533662008-12-28T02:28:00.000-08:002008-12-28T02:28:00.000-08:00I will also add that lately with AoE tanking avali...I will also add that lately with AoE tanking avaliable to all classes of tanks you see less and less CC. This makes things hard for the healer but who cares!<BR/><BR/>The tanks say "look how good I am I can hold 5 at a time"<BR/>The DPS say "look how much DPS I do with AoE, please join them"<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile the healer goes crazy trying to keep everybody alive!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-54996333317867916502008-12-28T02:25:00.000-08:002008-12-28T02:25:00.000-08:00For me the problem is that in WoW to heal efficien...For me the problem is that in WoW to heal efficiently you need an addon.<BR/><BR/>Any other class can deal with the game without addons, but for healers its a must have.<BR/><BR/>It feels so wrong!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-82520203068957852462008-12-27T20:49:00.000-08:002008-12-27T20:49:00.000-08:00The attitude "DPS only needs to watch out for them...The attitude "DPS only needs to watch out for themselves" is one I've come across way too much as a tank. To the point where after facerolling through instances to 80, then not running any 80 instances and jumping right into heroics.<BR/><BR/>Just today I had mage who wouldn't sheep, a hunter can't trap, ret pallies that wouldn't use a stun when specifically asked to on a boss fight (the caster that splits in the Nexus)... the list can go on and on. <BR/><BR/>Make sure you're running with tanks over 540 def (War/pally - Druids, well, they don't need defense), if you're not, they will get squashed in heroics. Don't be afraid to say "Hey, lets CC some of these 5 mobs here, since we can." <BR/><BR/>Keep healing. Us tanks need good healers!Posolutelyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13202867386259213651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-921925079844073672008-12-27T19:08:00.000-08:002008-12-27T19:08:00.000-08:00The learning curve is also daunting, especially co...The learning curve is also daunting, especially coming from the DPS side of things. My mage got invited to the Obsidian Sanctum for the sole purpose of decursing on the trash, and I still somewhat failed my job because I didn't have the pet health bars displayed on my UI. <BR/><BR/>I don't see how you're supposed to learn to heal at 80 even if you wanted to, short of running regular level 70 dungeons until you get the hang of it.Green Armadillohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15564045048380177626noreply@blogger.com