tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post2898214154238472177..comments2024-01-04T02:49:23.470-08:00Comments on Blessing of Kings: [SWTOR] Dungeon FinderRohanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-21484789216165604122012-02-03T11:06:57.736-08:002012-02-03T11:06:57.736-08:00I don't know why they can't mix up differe...I don't know why they can't mix up different features form different games. They already took the best of most other games and incoporated it into SWTOR, after all..why re0invent the wheel or...why fix what is not broken,etc.... I perosnally would like to see for heroic quests a warhammer system, if someone on the quest is near and in the area it automatically asks you if you want to join a party for the group quest in this area. I'm a big WoW fan but that feature from warhammer was awesome, i got into group gameplay straight away and had no hrd time forming social bonds due to that system alone!! In addition for instances a similar-to-WoW LFD is needed, period! I don't want to waist time finding a group only to wait for all to have travelled to the instance and then half-way through the instance loose a player, having to travel back to where I was question. I pay money every month to play the content not trying to break the world record in most visited flight-points between station and my Quest hub.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-56855652539196737442012-01-28T03:00:20.926-08:002012-01-28T03:00:20.926-08:00Just an interesting tidbit.
I just counted posts...Just an interesting tidbit. <br /><br />I just counted posts from individuals (no repeat posters) on the latest SWTOR official forum with a topic of requesting a Dungeon Finder and I found it to be out of all 10 pages of posts 58 to 20 in favor of an LFG tool in one form or another beyond what is currently available. <br /><br />It's a business first, entertainment second and this is just good business. Give the people what they want. No one is going to leave because it's there and if they do, well they'll be replaced by 2 new subscribers that appreciate the accessibility.CombatCasualtyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06456931722751292210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-64070422758158177862012-01-28T02:04:40.648-08:002012-01-28T02:04:40.648-08:00I actually started TOR is a preformed guild, activ...I actually started TOR is a preformed guild, active in every TZ with 400+ members and an entire guild for our alts and I will still spend hours trying to find a group because either people have geared beyond my level, not on at the same time for the same time period, are doing something else in game, not at the appropriate level or they don't want to do what I want to do at that particular moment. I have 2 lvl 50's and a handful of 20's and can't resist spacebar'ing through all the conversations I've heard a hundred times. Also it's hard to get a word in with 100+ people online in the guild and spamming a LFG anywhere just sucks. I would even go for an internal, guild level LFG tool. <br /><br />It's just as simple as something being better than nothing. No one will have to use it and everyone that doesn't want to doesn't have to. It's sort of a spiteful thing for those people that don't want to use the tool to be against it for those who can clearly benefit from it. <br /><br />I stopped my Sub and cited the reason being lack of an LFG tool. I may re-up at the last minute but I want them to get the message that people are leaving because it's not there.<br /><br />The die hards will have to decide to allow the LFG tool or risk losing TOR and MMO's in general because if 300 million can't satisfy us no one is going to try it again.CombatCasualtyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06456931722751292210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-92015239436505787822012-01-28T02:04:23.903-08:002012-01-28T02:04:23.903-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.CombatCasualtyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06456931722751292210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-24761234471790406782012-01-24T01:06:25.453-08:002012-01-24T01:06:25.453-08:00I never get the argument from those with a strong ...I never get the argument from those with a strong guild that easily forms dungeon groups themself want to stop the rest of the population of a game from having a LFD tool since thats what they need to do the same. Nothing stops ppl from doing it both ways if a LFD tool is available.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-51625839321223281352012-01-23T06:14:59.271-08:002012-01-23T06:14:59.271-08:00I think this is a very good illustration of how MM...I think this is a very good illustration of how MMO's becoming so popular, and the gaming industrys desire to get everyone doing online games that cant be pirated damaging the genre. <br /><br />Those who like to have the "solo" game want to do all the instances without the inconvienence of actually interacting with anyone else. That's fine but it really hurts the community of the MMO. I'm not sure there's a good solution at this point with the millions of solo players that want to play with their chat functions. In a perfect world there would be two seperate games for those two types of players.samhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08143435412222235822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-26196721403065762382012-01-23T06:04:23.855-08:002012-01-23T06:04:23.855-08:00I find it very funny how several people who did al...I find it very funny how several people who did all FPs behave.<br />"It is your own fault you can't have fun with this game, you must try harder, or be as lucky as me, or be more determined" they say. As Paul said, he resolved the problem for himself differently - by quitting. Three are LOTS of games on the market, and if one particular service does not correspond to my needs - so be it. I can live witout this entertainment service just fine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-23960629444401623112012-01-23T03:39:47.327-08:002012-01-23T03:39:47.327-08:00Anonymous: I took responsibility for my game time....Anonymous: I took responsibility for my game time. That's why I'm no longer playing SWTOR. :)Paulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-65041881583299027212012-01-22T07:31:17.216-08:002012-01-22T07:31:17.216-08:00Join an Active guild. Its your fault if you do no...Join an Active guild. Its your fault if you do not take the responsibility for your game time in your own hands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-23436251865206578642012-01-21T00:07:53.536-08:002012-01-21T00:07:53.536-08:00@Rauxis, there's this central space station ca...@Rauxis, there's this central space station called Fleet. It acts kind of like Stormwind or Orgrimmar. All flashpoints are accessible through the Fleet. Basically, they dispatch your group in a shuttle to wherever the action is.<br /><br />But while leveling, most people are on the other planets, in the other zones, so you don't really see groups forming for instances in the questing zones. Most pug groups seem to formed at Fleet.<br /><br />It's as if you wanted to find a group for Deadmines, so you had to go back to Stormwind and advertise in Stormwind general chat.Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-1652442038623388792012-01-20T20:17:52.710-08:002012-01-20T20:17:52.710-08:00I've not started in SWTOR yet - but do I under...I've not started in SWTOR yet - but do I understand you right that you have to be inside a special area to find a group? <br /><br />IMHO from start BC to mid LK the reason why I always could find a group in reasonable time (even with my lock) was the severwide /lfg channel.<br /><br />So having neither a LFD tool nor such a channel is.... odd<br /><br />Rauxis, chosen of CATRauxisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-69648427234317808272012-01-20T12:53:22.787-08:002012-01-20T12:53:22.787-08:00A Dungeon finder is needed in SWTOR. I have stoppe...A Dungeon finder is needed in SWTOR. I have stopped playing because I cant really play at end game. Even if it only paired people on the same server, I would be happy with it.Darraxushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09290390808933294129noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-90858013119072224732012-01-20T12:23:35.086-08:002012-01-20T12:23:35.086-08:00Accountability in WoW pre-LFG came from posting on...Accountability in WoW pre-LFG came from posting on the realm forums (which TOR also needs) and naming ninja's and douchebags. <br /><br />Several people on my old server became infamous for bad behavior. Guild policing was also a factor. <br /><br />Some LFD tool should be available I agree. The requirement of being in Fleet was bad design choice for flashpoints.dahuthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09938110448159276945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-66918814184656294102012-01-20T11:58:43.864-08:002012-01-20T11:58:43.864-08:00Cross-server kills any semblance of accountability...<i>Cross-server kills any semblance of accountability. Acting like a douchebag has no consequences when you do it to people on other servers, but would have gotten you "blacklisted" in pre-LFD days as your reputation was a currency.</i><br /><br />I disagree, because even if it's across servers, it's still the same pool of players overall. Even in WoW you will be seeing some of the same players over time, and will get to know how they play. There's no effective difference between a cross-server queue and having a single GIGANTIC server.<br /><br />Even before WoW added cross-server there was no real accountability if your server was established; there was no server-wide way to pass on details about people. Maybe something will come up now and then on a chat channel, but you had to actually be there at that time, and paying attention to see it. And even then it's also entirely heresy; I've had situations where someone got upset at me over something that was in fact their own fault.<br /><br />It's not too dissimilar from real life, honestly. Even if there's ways to find out, how often do you know that the person you're dealing with at any given moment wasn't a criminal in the past? And does it matter, if there's no problems in the current exchange? People change, and having some kind of server accountability only punishes those who may have made a mistake or was misunderstood.<br /><br /><br />There's also the assumption that LFD automatically means cross-server, which is not necessarily the case. WoW only added cross-server due to demands from players to shorten queue times; there's no telling that TOR's structure and server sizes may be conductive to better queue times if they're locked to the same server.RJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10492971146589461692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-36963493921785346762012-01-20T11:15:07.840-08:002012-01-20T11:15:07.840-08:00I ran Athiss (PT Shieldtech here) w/my gf (Sith Ma...I ran Athiss (PT Shieldtech here) w/my gf (Sith Marauder), a Sith Asssassin, and my gf's companion Malavai Quinn as healer. We were a couple levels higher, so the only problem we had was the final boss, and the problem wasn't with the difficulty of the damage or anything like that, but the fireball's he summons. As long as they didn't focus on the healer, we were ok, but if they did, we had problems. Even by putting him on passive and her running around to keep the fireballs away from him, we still had problems, because if he got hit, he couldn't heal himself, and usually died.<br /><br />We are hoping to actually have a healer available for running Raiders...Vanyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12654972461120002358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-32723461580689920092012-01-20T10:56:52.743-08:002012-01-20T10:56:52.743-08:00Cross-server kills any semblance of accountability...Cross-server kills any semblance of accountability. Acting like a douchebag has no consequences when you do it to people on other servers, but would have gotten you "blacklisted" in pre-LFD days as your reputation was a currency.<br /><br />TL;DR: Same-server? Yes. Cross-server? No.Heywood Djiblomihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01424315448841746864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-12820040624493676282012-01-20T10:52:39.227-08:002012-01-20T10:52:39.227-08:00Spinks made a good comment about "If you'...Spinks made a good comment about "If you're in an active guild..."<br /><br />Yes, if you're in an active guild with everyone roughly the same level and they actually talk to you when you want to do an instance, then fantastic! If on the other hand you're dragging behind, or racing ahead, or want to do something when they're all off raiding in WoW, or any other reason you're out of luck.<br /><br />SWTOR needs LFD. It has some great end-game content, but needs to start making it more accessible.Gazimoffhttp://www.manaobscura.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-81461001435824265462012-01-20T10:09:38.475-08:002012-01-20T10:09:38.475-08:00Personally, I have also been able to run every sin...Personally, I have also been able to run every single Flashpoint and heroic mission at level as well, and not with guildies but simply by spamming /1 while questing. Sure it takes slightly more effort than using a LFD tool but it's certainly worked for me. I've only had to skip 2 heroic ares so far on Hoth, every other I've been able to find a group for.Orangehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11766911131864232262noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-50675677093941824792012-01-20T07:44:09.450-08:002012-01-20T07:44:09.450-08:00The problem with chat channels, especially global ...The problem with chat channels, especially global channels, is that people insist on using them for non-lfg related talk. And it becomes a lot of spam.<br /><br />Not to mention that I had to turn off General Chat yesterday, because people were deliberately posting spoilers. That's going to make finding groups even more fun.Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-16905672651000582222012-01-20T05:48:06.777-08:002012-01-20T05:48:06.777-08:00If you can't hear chat when you're outside...If you can't hear chat when you're outside the fleet, wouldn't a global LFG channel if you flag LFG be a far more easily implemented solution with a lot less fallout?Numtinihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04361603285866984443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-55361882353491698742012-01-20T05:45:47.885-08:002012-01-20T05:45:47.885-08:00I think part of the problem is that everything is ...<i>I think part of the problem is that everything is launched from the fleet rather than from the quest path.</i><br /><br />There are couriers in the quest path that direct you to a level appropriate FP, and have a shuttle back to the Fleet next to them. That said, it doesn't stop the issue that you're stopping everything and hoping to get a group...<br /><br /><i>LFD has mostly just made me scared to PUG because I might end up with a load of screaming strangers who won't understand if I haven't seen the instance before and don't know it by heart.</i><br /><br />To be fair, this is not an issue unique to LFD. You have just as high of a chance of finding a group of terrible strangers spamming chat channels as you are using LFD.<br /><br />To those who say "Just use your guildmates", congratulations to you for having a large enough and populated enough guild that wants to run FPs at all levels at all times. Please realize that you are actually in the minority, however. Most players, from what I can tell, are not in a situation like this.<br /><br />While my own guild runs guild FPs oftenish, the majority of the members are already at the level cap, and preparing for raiding. That sure doesn't help someone who decided to not play 24/7 since launch get into FPs, or is levelling an alt.RJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10492971146589461692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-2333840954370618352012-01-20T04:48:18.028-08:002012-01-20T04:48:18.028-08:00If you're in an active guild, even a fairly ca...If you're in an active guild, even a fairly casual one, then the problem dissolves. You might not always be able to run the instance exactly when you want to, but you'll get to see it with friends.<br /><br />LFD has mostly just made me scared to PUG because I might end up with a load of screaming strangers who won't understand if I haven't seen the instance before and don't know it by heart. And I'm a fairly experienced MMO player but I don't want to learn to tank an instance with a bunch of random kids hurling abuse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-16447672975976741922012-01-20T02:13:21.433-08:002012-01-20T02:13:21.433-08:00RE the question of what makes people who CAN do th...RE the question of what makes people who CAN do the dungeons at level so different to those that CAN'T, I'll take a stab that it is a combination of:<br /><br />(1) Being in an active Guild, perhaps even preformed in another MMO<br />(2) Being on a heavily populated launch server<br />(3) Being able to play for time periods well over an hour, ideally two-plus<br />(4) Being able to play at peak times<br /><br />As a simple question, do the people that are "fine" with no LFD generally meet points (1) to (4) above?<br /><br />My subscription will probably lapse later this week, even though I bought the CE (ouch) and love the Star Wars universe. I think SWTOR is an amazing game, but I didn't join the game with a pre-formed Guild. In fact I had hoped to experience it with fresh eyes, which hasn't really worked. I often play in 1-2 hour sessions. And those are sometimes at odd hours. 1-2 hours is plenty to run an instance in a game with a LFD. 1-2 hours is plenty to have a great time in a tightly tuned single player game replete with plot and challenge (I'm looking at you Uncharted series). But my experience has been that 1-2 hours in SW:TOR is an exercise in frustration, aside from the single player questing. And the single player questing isn't of high enough gameplay quality for me to subscribe to it.<br /><br />Awesome game, but I think for those that fulfil points (1) to (4) above, it's many many times better than it is for those that don't. As I'm in the latter camp, my subscription will lapse. I only ever finished one Flashpoint (Esseles) at ten levels higher that intended. I did a fair number of H+2 style instances with people I added to my friends lists, pretty much never saw any of the again. I can honestly say that I leave SW:TOR without a memorable group experience to take with me.<br /><br />But I do accept that for those that have the time to put into SW:TOR in the old-school spam chat for heroics until you get a server rep, that either are in (or join) an established Guild, and that perhaps are just more patient / explorer types, would find the game very good and enjoyable. I'm just not one of those people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-21594608442656166532012-01-20T01:53:40.707-08:002012-01-20T01:53:40.707-08:00There is one gem of a post on the official forums ...There is one gem of a post on the official forums pro LFD. Anything I could say about LFD would just be like some SWTOR systems, an incomplete less quality copy: http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?p=1635652#post1635652rulezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11349427158007522718noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-49289552228260959602012-01-20T01:18:13.377-08:002012-01-20T01:18:13.377-08:00Believe me I am not trying to be negative, or to b...Believe me I am not trying to be negative, or to berate you, but I think you sort of answer your own question here. Dungeon Finder is great, and in WoW, I am having a great time using this tool to enhance my character regardless of who is online in the guild.<br /><br />That being said, it is an MMO, which means you need to find people to play with. Whether that means an active, helpful guild or a close group of friends that play together, you just cannot hope to do well all on your own.Brontehttp://arewenewatthis.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com