tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post3116610174132958922..comments2024-01-04T02:49:23.470-08:00Comments on Blessing of Kings: The Seal TaxRohanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-53868677190353891362008-10-17T18:50:00.000-07:002008-10-17T18:50:00.000-07:00Divine Storm should go back to holy dmg. If a mele...Divine Storm should go back to holy dmg. If a melee class in plate that deals spell dmg is imbalanced then well people are going to howl bloody murder when Death Knights are 80 and start pvp.<BR/><BR/>Having high consistant dmg for raiding and having the burst for pvp is a difficult thing. The other melee classes can spec for pvp burst or high raid dps. <BR/><BR/>If ret is go become less bursty and more consistant dmg then we will need more and better tools for pvp. <BR/><BR/>For holy well i suggest you remove the AP scaling or Seal of righteousness and make it really good for holy with some talent consolidation. I suggest you combine the first two talents in holy. In the place of the seals talent in tier 1 holy, a talent that does what holy light glyph does but for flash of light.<BR/><BR/>ret has been and should always be about bursting the target down as fast as possible in pvp. <BR/><BR/>with any changes to crit dmg modifiers. well why should ret paladins be the class/spec with no crit dmg modifiers??Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02098206342624139814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-87831959917667654812008-10-17T10:15:00.000-07:002008-10-17T10:15:00.000-07:00Read my Paladin lips: No new Seal Taxes!Read my Paladin lips: No new Seal Taxes!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-10688614128811645392008-10-17T09:01:00.001-07:002008-10-17T09:01:00.001-07:00That's not a terrible plan. Would melee attacks us...That's not a terrible plan. Would melee attacks use mana or holy energy? The way you describe it i think it might be best to use mana for most attacks, so that holy energy can be boosted an add the +dmg to attacks. Makes sense for it to be +holy dmg. Some paladin moves, a few strong ones at least, should use only holy energy though. That would give the paladin the option to do burst dmg or higher sustained dps. Talents down each tree could affect the amount of holy energy you receive from certain abilities. ie: increase the amount of holy energy from healing, something ret and prot would have to miss out on. To nerf DS further, maybe even make it a holy talent. ....maybe that's going to far. Start the pally REVOLUTION!<BR/><BR/>VIVA LA RESISTANCE!Tritohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13518298766464411554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-85887843987027898142008-10-17T09:01:00.000-07:002008-10-17T09:01:00.000-07:00Im seeing inconsistancies in the comments. althoug...Im seeing inconsistancies in the comments. although i agree i think DS should be holy damage because it bypasses armor, i think the coef could be downranked to compensate.<BR/>now the healing that DS does is that effected by the fact that the damage is now physical instead of holy? if you DS a warrior vs a mage is the healing you get back going to be bigger on the mage? <BR/>if the damage is going to stay phisical why cant DS do a hamstring like debuff?<BR/>Pallies one problem seem to be getting kited and this would help once we get in range. supposedly the debuff dot that DS will be doing should be pretty good according to Suicidal Zebra, but im still gettign kited all over the place, hamstring, wingclip, fear ect. Vindication is great but it doesnt prevent targets from getting away. i would trade the 20% stat debuff for 10% stats and a movement imparing effect.<BR/>we are still one of the easiest classes to kite in the game.Chromhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09499871437530558993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-80373973872890155402008-10-17T08:33:00.000-07:002008-10-17T08:33:00.000-07:00Maybe for ret, the paladin would do the most consi...Maybe for ret, the paladin would do the most consistant dmg while the holy energy was going unused, making it very unappealing to be healing and doing dps at the same time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-60089641510924850242008-10-17T08:23:00.000-07:002008-10-17T08:23:00.000-07:00I think the basic paladin mechanics are to blame, ...I think the basic paladin mechanics are to blame, which includes the seals. Blizz has had a hard time giving us decent moves, in part due to the fact that against most classes we have invincibility for 10 seconds, while being able to attack or being able to heal. Invincibility, plate, healing...why should they get dps? <BR/>There was a post on the wow forums that asked for a revamp of the paladin, creating sort of a hybrid between a paladin, a warrior of sigmar and a bit like a death knight. <BR/>Imagine for a second, that not all paladin abilities relied on mana, however mana was still an integral part of the paladin. There would also be a holy energy bar that sotres holy energy much like the vial of the sunwell. Healing and crits (maybe other things, like blocks....test it obviously) could fill up this energy bar. Some paladin moves could only be used with a x amount of energy, just like a warrior. The energy could also affect the strength of moves. Say, for example, nerf the baseline divine shield so it's protection for just a few seconds...and dispellable. However, provide bonuses such as extended time and undispellability if you have 100% holy energy when you use it. <BR/>It would help holy paladins exactly as the vial of the sunwell works...adds +healing to spells when you activate the use of the energy for it. This means a holy paladin could build up +healing to use in burst situations, even while mobile...activate the energy bar to use up all built up energy on the next cast, and cast shock. <BR/>Could this energy be burnable? I'd like to avoid that, so I'd advocate for this energy only to be able to be used if you have the mana to cast the spell in the first place. <BR/>If you must burn this energy, then i suggest a rage burn, energy burn, and runic power burn...just to be fair. (and to piss off the rogues)<BR/>The suggestion is unpolished, however, when I look at it, it screams paladin. (I do not take credit for the idea, its bits and pieces from warhammer and warcraft characters put together by Aeito of Bloodscalp)<BR/>Think about it. Please...I'd like feedback.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-7934731015949199612008-10-17T07:51:00.000-07:002008-10-17T07:51:00.000-07:00"Anyways I'm hoping we don't get anymore emergency..."Anyways I'm hoping we don't get anymore emergency balance nerfs before the expansion, but I doubt it. What do you think they'll go after next?"<BR/><BR/>I have a Ret pally and an arcane mage. I know Ret is a little OP in an overall scence. They have high burst damage, great heals, and almost a full mana bar thanks to judgements of the wise. The burst damage they output isn't going to touch an arcane mage though. I feel this is fair since mages can't heal, but the fact that arcane mages are hitting an instant spell on a 3 second cooldown that hits for 1.5k and crits for almost 3k is retarded. Mages also get to cast fireblast between arcane barage as well. Arcane mages never have to use any casting spells in PvP now. They are with out a doubt burstfully delisious class.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-24854019674492891812008-10-17T07:12:00.000-07:002008-10-17T07:12:00.000-07:00Even with the change to Divine Storm I'm seeing a ...Even with the change to Divine Storm I'm seeing a lot of people calling for more Retribution nerfs. I don't think people like all of sudden having to worry about paladins dealing the same amount of damage as rogues and warriors.<BR/><BR/>Anyways I'm hoping we don't get anymore emergency balance nerfs before the expansion, but I doubt it. What do you think they'll go after next?Relmsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10358853054116842043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-16377433025173048522008-10-17T02:53:00.000-07:002008-10-17T02:53:00.000-07:00To be honest, and while I can't speak for Ret, as ...To be honest, and while I can't speak for Ret, as Prot I actually like Seals proccing on specials. With SoV and HoR, it's a lot easier to keep up threat on smaller groups (1~3 mobs) without needing to blow a ton of mana on Consecrate, since HoR will drop SoV on all 3 mobs.RJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10492971146589461692noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-21554258199424645992008-10-17T00:40:00.000-07:002008-10-17T00:40:00.000-07:00Something needs to be done I agree. Although, I do...Something needs to be done I agree. Although, I don't mind feeling like a "Warrior-lite", I would like some kind of differentiation between the gear I look for and the gear they look for, even if its as minor as Haste vs Armor Pen, like you pointed out. <BR/><BR/>What I would like to see is maybe a Titan Grip lite in the Ret tree. Soemthing like you can hold a two hander in one hand, and a shield in the other,and then that could be combined with Shield of the Righteous. It would really add some flavor to the class, dontcha think? I know I am fantasizing :P My point is, make us different from Warriors in a cosmetic sense. With enough instant attacks at hand like CS, DS, Judgement, SHotR, and HoW we could really de-couple the seals from the instants and possibly repeal this tax we have. <BR/><BR/>Did that even make sense? Damn I am tired tonight :PDradishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10399533105778599010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-11181683555722039652008-10-16T23:51:00.000-07:002008-10-16T23:51:00.000-07:00I must admit I agree with you on the Seal affair. ...I must admit I agree with you on the Seal affair. Being Holy - at least until wotlk hits - I am the one getting the wrong end of the stick (on the damage output department) while Ret damage remains `burstly' probably more than it should. Inevitably, in order to keep Ret damage consistent one should minimise these sudden spikes and replace them with a consistent model. Increasing the Seal damage, eliminating additional seal procs and normalising higher base retry abilities ought to do the trick (probably, I am reluctant to be definitive on something I do not have the alogrithms for...).<BR/><BR/>This would fix ret burst, replace it with consistency, fix Holy judgements and generaly eliminate more problems.<BR/><BR/>Nonetheles, I must admit Holy damage might seem less but the uptime, speed and rotations result most probably in a higher net damage. Or so it seems, things die faster now for sure and less rec is required.<BR/><BR/>On the uniqueness (sp?) of the paladins abilities, I agree with you but I feel for long ret paladins were asking for this warrior-type crossover to some extent. I think some aspects of our abilities must remain close to the paladin paradigm, even if they are more cosmetic.<BR/><BR/>As a Holy I would like a consistent, adequate output for solo playing and the odd pvp. As a retry I would like to regain credibility as, at least, a middle-class dpser and maintain supportive elements. I feel though the most important thing is to have such abilities as not to give arguments to others of been `OP' while maintaining a competitive level more or less as the current one and a high fun factor. This will also help a lot towards the `social acceptance' of retribution paladins.<BR/><BR/>Make no mistake, I like hammering people :-p. But doing it with a huge spike leaves out many abilities, makes the encounters too speedy and... well, kinda eliminates the need to be more skillfull, introduce some improvisation, use definitive paladin abilities to bring the opponent to his knees...<BR/><BR/>But then again I have not played retribution for quite some time so I may be wrong.Panoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04538789110729883123noreply@blogger.com