tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post3687608023750652062..comments2024-01-04T02:49:23.470-08:00Comments on Blessing of Kings: Retribution Spec ThoughtsRohanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-92010348356768931532008-10-14T09:32:00.000-07:002008-10-14T09:32:00.000-07:00Lets not forget another handy little bonus to purs...Lets not forget another handy little bonus to pursuit of justice. In PvP, hunters and casters alike just love to sic things on us/slow us and move backwards to wear us down with shots. Pursuit of justice helps close the gap much faster... >:DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-67576726711608946912008-04-14T15:42:00.000-07:002008-04-14T15:42:00.000-07:00Why do so many of you ret pallys feel compelled to...Why do so many of you ret pallys feel compelled to get BoK outside of a arena 0/20/41 build? I don't see the reasoning at all - all holy pallys are specced into it in raids and it takes away precious points from vindication or PoJ. Imo ret pallys who spec into kings for PvE fail. <BR/><BR/>Also, I'm seeing conflicting reports about vindication and JoW procs. Even assuming vindication still procs JoW does it proc JoW if the target is immune? I don't see any reason to grab vindication for raiding if it doesn't proc off immune targets, since virtually all bosses are immune and bosses is where you actually need JoW. <BR/><BR/>-Messallina/AgrippinaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-44623000055946880162008-04-14T04:28:00.000-07:002008-04-14T04:28:00.000-07:00I too am having a problem. I can't decide between ...I too am having a problem. I can't decide between this build, http://wowhead.com/?talent=sxZVGzZxf0tMcuiIot , or putting the BoK spec into Pursuit of Justice. >.>Matt Grahamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04529553872122592595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-60974579753646726392008-04-01T10:54:00.000-07:002008-04-01T10:54:00.000-07:00Also, pursuit of justice is just plain sexy no mat...Also, pursuit of justice is just plain sexy no matter what you're doing. Keep in mind there are huge cascading benefits to having it as well. In PvE that equates to either a 6 agi benefit due to feet enchants, or a +10 hit/-6 agi net benefit as well if you go with surefooted instead. So it's more than just a -3 spell hit PvP sexiness and all around PvE and PvP run speed benefit. Personally I'd never construct a ret spec without it because I feel there always should be points going around to grab it. <BR/><BR/>-Agrippina/Messallina, PerenoldeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-36068579354051528702008-04-01T10:49:00.000-07:002008-04-01T10:49:00.000-07:00I feel like just one more voice in the wilderness ...I feel like just one more voice in the wilderness given the 27 comments already here that I'm not going to respond to, and most of what I say will probably be redundant, but given I raid ret in sunwell and have done so since the advent of the first 25 mans and since I also arena ret on a 2300+ top-10 team (3v3) I feel I can speak with possibly more succinctness and authority. <BR/><BR/>One thing is for raiding one point in vindication is smart, unless this has been hotfixed. This equals about 16 MP5 (don't quote me on that) since vindication procs (even immune ones on bosses) will still proc Judgement of Wisdom. If this isn't a raid spec disregard this. <BR/><BR/>Imp blessing of might depends on whether you already have any "raid bitch" holy pallys specced into it. Once again, if you do, use the points in vindication or PoJ, if not stick with imp BoM. Since you seem to be farming primarily BoW is generally better than might unless you just want to get huge crits. <BR/><BR/>Next, you should consider dropping precision. You already have 6% hit, and if you're not raiding you don't need that full 9%, tho I suppose some 72-73 mobs will require 6%+ hit to never miss against. <BR/><BR/>On the subject of blessing of kings I subscribe to the view that ret pallys should not spec into it unless they're going full 0/20/41 arena spec. Otherwise I don't see any reason to pick it up. Might/wisdom are both better for farming and in 25 raids there will always be plenty of holy paladins specced into it. A<BR/><BR/>And, on a side note, as long as you have 5%+ hit 5/0/56 is the most fun spec to run around 1 shotting clothies in a BG with :) (and what I raid with incidentally, since my PvE gear is at the point where I have more hit than I need regardless of whether I spec into precision or not. <BR/><BR/>-Agrippina/Messallina, PerenoldeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-66833910581592217602008-03-31T21:23:00.000-07:002008-03-31T21:23:00.000-07:00In any fight where you find yourself on the move f...In any fight where you find yourself on the move for any portion of it, Pursuit of Justice will get you there quicker and therefore get another few swings in on the mob. It can also save your life if you're a little laggy in moving out of an AoE.<BR/><BR/>-Baelor<BR/>70 paladin, formerly of Runetotem serverShwitz44https://www.blogger.com/profile/12859042711928927792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-87785680242914904722008-03-29T21:23:00.000-07:002008-03-29T21:23:00.000-07:00On the topic of 1/2 Imp Judgement. It is worth not...On the topic of 1/2 Imp Judgement. It is worth noting that Judgement is not on the global cooldown so even with 2/2 as long as you always use CS first you can still judge while the GCD is up (you just can't reseal until it ends).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-77499415407205111242008-03-27T21:36:00.000-07:002008-03-27T21:36:00.000-07:00@zebrathanks for the input. The other problem wit...@zebra<BR/><BR/>thanks for the input. The other problem with the prot gear is that I'm sick of grinding with it, and I just don't do instances anymore.<BR/><BR/>I do have enough ret gear to get me up to 900ish AP, without making my ret goggles yet. I just green-gemmed it all, as most of it will be very temporary. <BR/><BR/>I'll go out with the oathkeeper on some felboars and see what happens. :D <BR/><BR/>I've got a full heroic tank set, I just can't get the energy to do 3 hour pug runs anymore. And if I'm going ret, there's not much ret gear in instances anyway.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-65095493125244988922008-03-27T19:07:00.000-07:002008-03-27T19:07:00.000-07:00I'll go out on a limb and say that's probably not ...I'll go out on a limb and say that's probably not a good idea Karl. The PPM mechanics of SoC make the damage loss going from a 2-hander to a 1-hander with the same DPS quite high. Reactive damage from a Shield Spike or similar is unlikely to bridge the gap. Even with an Oathkeeper (which is not at all bad these days BTW, S1/BS Tier 1 it aint but 93DPS is okay and 26 Hit Rating is tasty-sauce) you will be doing more damage than with any 90dps 1-hander you'd care to mention.<BR/><BR/>That said, if you have a whole lot of tank gear you may be better served by grinding and doing BG's as Prot and saving up your honour and gold for Ret pieces. This however would shatter any illusions of doing well in the Arena until you get S1 honour gear and respec. Alternatively, think about investing in the new Rep-based PvP gear (honoured with each outland faction) as it has a fairly nice balance of stats for new-to-Ret players.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-72892846040922434362008-03-27T13:30:00.000-07:002008-03-27T13:30:00.000-07:00Thanks for the input...But I have a crazy idea...A...Thanks for the input...<BR/><BR/>But I have a crazy idea...<BR/><BR/>As an INTERIM step, until I have a full ret gear set, would it make sense to use the ret gear I have, and the rest prot gear, and go with a 1H+sheild prot/ret build until I have a full ret set, and then respec to the 20/41 build?..<BR/><BR/>My main concern is that my 2H (Oathkeeper) is kinda sucky, as there are 1H with almost as much damage, and I'd have the extra armour from the sheild, along with reactive damage. <BR/><BR/>Thoughts?...Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11172369610221406960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-49458400153212019792008-03-25T23:13:00.000-07:002008-03-25T23:13:00.000-07:001 Vindication - JoW3 PoJ - DPS increase for fights...1 Vindication - JoW<BR/><BR/>3 PoJ - DPS increase for fights that you move more than 5 seconds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-9662718818946148172008-03-25T14:37:00.000-07:002008-03-25T14:37:00.000-07:00Here's my 0/20/41 build: http://www.worldofwarcraf...Here's my 0/20/41 build: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents.html?0000000000000000000005321130023000000000000523035132003125031011<BR/><BR/>To Anonymous Prot Pally, Ret can solo very easily. You won't be able to take on 8 melee monsters at the same time, so watch your aggro. The ones you do go after will die quickly. <BR/><BR/>If you tend to be the target in a 2v2 arena, then I definitely suggest the build above, as you will have a lot more damage mitigation. I love it when I get targeted instead of my hunter partner for 2v2's.Rorikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10660953158155783760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-70010062470142945992008-03-25T11:41:00.000-07:002008-03-25T11:41:00.000-07:00I hate to ask here, but Cromfel site is blocked at...I hate to ask here, but Cromfel site is blocked at work and a bit elitist anyway, so...<BR/><BR/>I'm a full prot pally now, but just don't have the time to run instances, so I'm soloing and doing arena and BG.<BR/><BR/>How effective are the ret arena builds at soloing/farming?<BR/><BR/>Now that 2.4 is here, I think I'm going to green-gem my current Ret gear in the bank, just to get an idea of what I could do now. If it's viable, then I'll get some blue gems, and build from there<BR/><BR/>And finally, in my 2v2 team, I tend to be the target, as many teams think I'm holy. If I am acting as that damage sponge, what spec might be good there?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-6323641481486610542008-03-25T09:41:00.000-07:002008-03-25T09:41:00.000-07:00Your standard 0/20/41:http://www.worldofwarcraft.c...Your standard 0/20/41:<BR/><BR/>http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents.html?0000000000000000000005321130023000000000000523035132003105331001<BR/><BR/>Basically, enough Prot for Imp. HoJ (with Stoicism as a garnish), and 41 Ret for Crusader Strike and the more PvP oriented talents (Vindication, EfaE, PoJ). Can also swap things around for more damage talents, but I've seen few of these builds including Fanaticism.<BR/><BR/>Very nice from a durability and utility POV, but is a significant reduction in damage from 5/10/46 or similar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-32158482737658128482008-03-25T04:13:00.000-07:002008-03-25T04:13:00.000-07:00I have Seperate builds for Raiding and for PvP.For...I have Seperate builds for Raiding and for PvP.<BR/><BR/>For raids i have the 5/8/48 build that Rohan originally gave me, but i'm going to try what you suggest here for my next raid to see what happens!<BR/><BR/>For my arena team i go 5/0/56.<BR/><BR/>I'd like to see a link to the 0/20/41 build that was mentioned above.Alex - aka Firelighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03521624147661620610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-574841737743333302008-03-24T20:11:00.000-07:002008-03-24T20:11:00.000-07:00I consider Pursuit of Justice to be almost a requi...I consider Pursuit of Justice to be almost a requirement. Blessing of Kings can be very useful to make things easier on whoever's assigning pally power buffs.<BR/><BR/>I was going to say the same thing as Dyermaker: a single point in Vindication can increase the effectiveness of Judgement of Wisdom, giving you a good deal more mana even when the boss is immune to it.<BR/><BR/>But your spec really depends on your gear. A lot of the dps plate badge gear added in 2.3 and soon 2.4 is covered with +hit (as it's largely intended for warriors). Having so much extra +hit can enable you to remove all of your points from Prot entirely and make a nice 10/0/51 build.<BR/><BR/>But my pally doesn't yet have much of this gear, so she's still using a 5/11/45 build. I tend to take Improved Devotion Aura instead of Redoubt because I don't even OWN a shield, let alone equip one, and I've gotta put 5 points somewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-7158171636185502132008-03-24T12:05:00.000-07:002008-03-24T12:05:00.000-07:00I picked up Pursuit of Justice on my Ret Pally but...I picked up Pursuit of Justice on my Ret Pally but that's because I PvP a lot on it.Matticushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09187814987595415787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-37952552361082123762008-03-24T11:42:00.000-07:002008-03-24T11:42:00.000-07:00Yeah pursuit of justice is vital if you are going ...Yeah pursuit of justice is vital if you are going to do any sort of PvP as a ret paladin. Right now I'm playing a weird prot/ret spec that grabs the 6% dmg reduction and 10% ac boost in the prot tree. I end up only have 4 points left over to put in holy for the str increase.Relmsteinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10358853054116842043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-11260590256446146312008-03-24T11:17:00.000-07:002008-03-24T11:17:00.000-07:00I'm a raiding Ret Paladin and Id take Pusuit of Ju...I'm a raiding Ret Paladin and Id take Pusuit of Justice as t6 raiding is all about surviving to the end of the fight. Moving faster gets you out of trouble quicker and also helps you get to the boss faster for a little bit more deeps. <BR/><BR/>Here is the spec I raid with:<BR/>http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxZVhZis0t0cuiIot<BR/><BR/>The rumor is that vindication will proc JoW and JoL on bosses and I tend to agree. You have to be very miserly with your mana when raiding so any regen is a huge plus.Erichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03734943814412678082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-26299096357991720152008-03-24T10:26:00.000-07:002008-03-24T10:26:00.000-07:00Vindication is vital to a raiding Paladin. However...Vindication is vital to a raiding Paladin. However, more than one point is a complete waste.<BR/><BR/>If you have a Darkmoon Card: Crusade, and there is at least a single judgement up on the target, Vindication offers a tremendous boost as it will proc all of those effects regardless of if the target is affected by the ability itself.<BR/><BR/>So a Retribution raiding Paladin who keeps up Judgement of the Crusader and two of his raid's other judgements will get the heal, the mana and the counter for his trinket even if the Vindication is immune. That one point in Vindication doubles up the judgement affects and speeds up the Darkmoon Card stacks. In theory, it will also proc other chance abilities, however, I have not done any first hand review of this so I cannot say for certain.<BR/><BR/>However, a good solid majority of raid targets are completely immune to this ability so anything more than one point to trigger the effect in the first place is completely wasted.Dyermakerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10544339258179109458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-19294842139394988292008-03-24T10:19:00.000-07:002008-03-24T10:19:00.000-07:00Also, what gear set do you think is required to ma...<I>Also, what gear set do you think is required to make a switch to ret viable?.. (I'm full prot geared now, but have 4-5 dpsish items in the bank, and have a lowly oathkeeper as my only ret wep atm.)</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not really sure. Ret is gear dependent. I was surprised at how much ret gear I had picked up, as it was my tertiary set. And even with that gear level, I still need 35 hit rating to cap out.<BR/><BR/>To be viable, I'd say you need about 1500 AP, 20% crit, and 95 hit rating.Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-80173077620971210822008-03-24T09:51:00.000-07:002008-03-24T09:51:00.000-07:00Yay for a bit of Ret love! Pursuit of Justice I se...Yay for a bit of Ret love! Pursuit of Justice I see as an absolute necessity while doing PvP (at the very least having two points in it). The speed boost and chance to miss some harmful spells actually pays off a lot more than you think. I working with a (somewhat awkward) 0/11/45 build and it has been great for PvP and running instances (my favorite activities). <BR/><BR/>Kings is a much more useful buff in the long run than an improved Might/Wisdom. You just help bring a bit more utility to the table in being able to help the party out instead of being so focused on perhaps one thing. They all have their merits, but that's just my thought. I'm not really a raider, more of a casual/PvP guy so there is possibly a completely different point of view to these talents when it comes to raiding.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-70672530124721062212008-03-24T09:50:00.000-07:002008-03-24T09:50:00.000-07:00The thing about 1/2 Imp Judgement is that you do g...The thing about 1/2 Imp Judgement is that you do get an extra point to use somewhere, and you don't lose any significant amount of DPS. It might even be easier to have 100% Seal of Command uptime, instead of accidentally clicking Judgement during the Global Cooldown caused by Crusader Strike.<BR/><BR/>I'd probably use that extra point to pick up 1/2 Guardian's Favor (if not going for Kings), which can be helpful.Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-42707843649783212512008-03-24T09:40:00.000-07:002008-03-24T09:40:00.000-07:00For a raid build 5/5 Improved Blessing of Might is...For a raid build 5/5 Improved Blessing of Might is the best choice. <BR/><BR/>Mix up your blessing assignments to cover it. One pally on Kings, one on ImpMight+Salv, one on ImpWis+Salv, or something similar.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-77819998786917770592008-03-24T08:25:00.000-07:002008-03-24T08:25:00.000-07:00Your Ret spec really depends on if you will be rai...Your Ret spec really depends on if you will be raiding or doing Arena. I'll assume you'd be raiding more, so definitely go for the 4/8/48 spec and go for talents that will max out your damage and minimize mana used for seals/judgments. Hopefully you have a Hammer of the Naaru in the bank from previous raids on Gruul. <BR/><BR/>If Arena is your cup of tea (as it is mine), then I suggest the 0/20/41 build, which gives much more damage mitigation and a 35 second stun cooldown with 4 pieces of Arena gear. <BR/><BR/>If you are going to raid a lot and raid anything past Gruul, I'd suggest you beg the raid leader to put you in a group with a shaman who will drop a Windfury totem. Your DPS will be mediocre at best without it.<BR/><BR/><BR/>If Arena is your cup of tea (as it is mine), then I suggest the 0/20/41 build, which gives much more damage mitigation and a 35 second stun cooldown with 4 pieces of Arena gear. <BR/><BR/>If you are going to raid a lot and raid anything past Gruul, I'd suggest you beg the raid leader to put you in a group with a shaman who will drop a Windfury totem. Your DPS will be mediocre at best without it.Rorikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10660953158155783760noreply@blogger.com