tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post7537562939820884496..comments2024-01-04T02:49:23.470-08:00Comments on Blessing of Kings: Dual Spec PredictionsRohanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-58872195956996968022009-03-12T17:55:00.000-07:002009-03-12T17:55:00.000-07:00That fully depends on the type of guild you are in...That fully depends on the type of guild you are in. There are those who enjoy getting server first achievements etc where maybe some people will be "forced" into taking a specific type of dual spec, with the attitude being, "You knew what we were about when you first signed up, it hasn't changed, you will do what is best for the guild if you want to raid with us or you will be replaced". Is that guild leader going to fracture the guild? Doubtful, if that is what the guild is/has een about I would suspect that most of the members would agree if be a little more discrete in the telling (Unfortunately guild leaders can not always be soft and cuddly).<BR/><BR/>It is a different, more hardcore approach to the game and this approach is viable and does appeal to many who are looking for others who are as dedicated as they are.<BR/><BR/>All that being stated, my guild expects us to have our own enchant, consumables etc so my second spec is going to be ret (yes I am holy for pve, have been for a long time). Doubt they will be asking me to tank any time soon anyways as they need my heals.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-15049262617434612272009-03-12T14:40:00.000-07:002009-03-12T14:40:00.000-07:00I respectfully disagree.I don't think this will pu...I respectfully disagree.<BR/><BR/>I don't think this will put any more pressure on dps hybrids at all. Any competent guild/raid leader would never force someone to do something they don't like. This is a game, not the military. For the good of the guild? One should not have to use that reasoning in a video game. Any leader flirting with this idea heightens the risk of fracturing the guild.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-20767517900478596982009-03-11T04:31:00.000-07:002009-03-11T04:31:00.000-07:00Very much so, I'm still deciding which way my tank...Very much so, I'm still deciding which way my tankadin is going (ret or holy) for his offspec. The boomkin will be getting a resto offspec and the priest will become holy / shadow. Roll on 3.1!Korenwolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15950426130942790843noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-74334237124725587042009-03-11T03:31:00.000-07:002009-03-11T03:31:00.000-07:00Agree also, i think the pure dps classes need a bu...Agree also, i think the pure dps classes need a buff to there dps as hybrid classes are topping a lot of the charts just now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-57484717019117571982009-03-10T19:18:00.000-07:002009-03-10T19:18:00.000-07:00devoted healers and tanks will get a pvp and pve s...devoted healers and tanks will get a pvp and pve spec<BR/><BR/>Hunters, Mages, Rogues, and Warlocks will as well. <BR/><BR/>Warriors and DKs will feel obligated to spec tank and dps<BR/><BR/>Shamans and Priests will feel obligated to spec heals and dps<BR/><BR/>I predict amazing lameness for Druids and Paladins though and am willing to go on record predicting that most groups will be looking for the role that neither of your specs are. Upon seeing the discrepency [sp?] Pallys and Druids will go to the forums, where mostly Warlocks and Rogues will say "we got dual spec, what more do you want QQ?"<BR/><BR/>so let it be written, so let it be done.M.C.Gloverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00902371309647462783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-69161098401969321672009-03-10T13:26:00.000-07:002009-03-10T13:26:00.000-07:00As far a 5 man goes tanks get dibs on tank items, ...As far a 5 man goes tanks get dibs on tank items, dps on dps items and heals on heal items.<BR/><BR/>I think many casters are incorrectly calling heal items dps and vice versa now. <BR/><BR/>Also, many people don't seem to get that 2H melee weapons ARE DK tanking weapons as well as dps weapons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-82441848882307039012009-03-10T13:20:00.000-07:002009-03-10T13:20:00.000-07:00It's a matter of not being a wuss and clearly stat...It's a matter of not being a wuss and clearly stating what you're willing to do in game and not.<BR/><BR/>"I am willing to heal *FOR THIS WEEK ONLY*" etc. It's all about your limits.<BR/><BR/>For instance, my ret pally who was holy his entire existence until Wrath, will not be buying the duel spec, and will remain ret.<BR/><BR/>My DK will be buying it, so he can put out measurable dps while still tanking well (currently he's so mitigation focused, he never breaks 2k dps even when not the tank for the encounter).<BR/><BR/>My shaman will be buying it, as I like having a person I CAN heal on, I also like punching people to death.<BR/><BR/>Similarly on loot, we're probably going to make it so your main spec is whatever you are when the item drops. (Our system currently allows you to spend your "tokens" on whatever you want, spec only matters if no one is willing to spend tokens).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-80965554744424595582009-03-10T13:15:00.000-07:002009-03-10T13:15:00.000-07:00As a druid tank who had a dk dps, who doesn't PVP ...As a druid tank who had a dk dps, who doesn't PVP (I looked him up on armory), need and win on the Essence of Gossamer (+111 stamina trinket), making me run H AN 17 times for the trinket, I feel I have the experience to say that when running anything, you get to roll on items your current spec is. Do NOT roll on tank items if you're DPS, just as I won't roll on healing items if I am tank atm.mrblue182https://www.blogger.com/profile/05847073766988950898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-11796409552481775812009-03-10T13:14:00.000-07:002009-03-10T13:14:00.000-07:00A lot of the time it doesn't matter if DPS make "g...A lot of the time it doesn't matter if DPS make "good" healers or not. If you only have 5 healers online, and you need 7-8, the choice is between asking a couple DPS to shift specs or calling the raid.<BR/><BR/>To be honest, I actually think this will affect the high end *less* than the low end. The high end is usually able to recruit more healers than lower guilds, and are more likely to have players capable and willing to switch styles. More likely to have players willing to do whatever is necessary to be successful.Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-86921090595754312162009-03-10T13:12:00.000-07:002009-03-10T13:12:00.000-07:00I can't see "Hybrid DPS" being a loser on dual spe...I can't see "Hybrid DPS" being a loser on dual specs. I plan on having a PVE DPS and a PVP DPS spec.<BR/><BR/>If someone tries presuring you into another role, just say "Oh, sorry man! I only have DPS gear!"<BR/><BR/>- JSGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-81273638241429253592009-03-10T13:08:00.000-07:002009-03-10T13:08:00.000-07:00I guess it depends if you are in a progression gui...I guess it depends if you are in a progression guild or not. DPS for the most part (with some exceptions) don't make very good healers. It's not just the gear and spec, it's really a whole different skill set and way of playing the game. <BR/><BR/>It's fine if someone is willing to put in the time to learn, but any DPS being forced to respec won't. Guilds that are really looking to progress through the content are going to still need to recruit true healers.<BR/><BR/>I see the dual spec as being used more to tailor groups to particular bosses. The biggest change is now having a high level Inscriber will be mandatory for every raid so people can respec before boss fights. Any character that can bring Replenish and Inscription is probably going to be insured a spot in any raid regardless of the DPS they can put out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-4695494400328043522009-03-10T12:38:00.000-07:002009-03-10T12:38:00.000-07:00Well lets see, as a "pure" dps class, I'll say I w...Well lets see, as a "pure" dps class, I'll say I will benefit from this the most. Cool, a healer can now be a tank, tanks are great for questing. Awesome, that DPS can now be a healer, he's never done it, but I sure want him on my Arena team! Yet myself, what can I do with my duel-spec? I can bring replenishment, IF that spec is still popular? Well, its the most popular spec right now, still is on the ptr. That little thing GC mentioned, replenishment being mandatory in future content, I guess you just didn't see that one. So with my duel-spec, I guess all that is left to do is PvP spec? Nope. I can solo old world raids no problem, I can run alts and guildies through almost any dungeon. Seems pretty useless for me. Oh yeah, and that same spec will keep my tier armor nice and shiny with my pet tanking and me not being able to pull a lick of agro. <BR/><BR/>BASICALLY....You do not know what your talking about, or your opinion is very biased in the least. Good luck playing your toons in the future, I know I will, but I don't set boundaries for what they will/should be able to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-9286873685773168832009-03-10T12:31:00.000-07:002009-03-10T12:31:00.000-07:00You make a good point, Rohan, but I believe what y...You make a good point, Rohan, but I believe what you are predicting is just an intensifying of the pressure that already exists for hybrid classes to heal that has always been there. Now it will be more acceptable to ask someone to switch because switching is cheaper and faster, so obviously it will get more severe.<BR/><BR/>You are spot-on that guild leaders will promise they are recruiting healers, but not actually recruit them when the raids are going fine because you are stuck healing "for now". But I believe from experience(having played a raiding feral druid throughout vanilla wow and an enhancement shaman in tbc)that many dps hybrids will stand up for themselves and demand to be treated like any other dps for the most part.<BR/><BR/>My hope is that a social norm will develop in response to this attitude (as tends to happen in cases like this) where a faction who understands what it's like to be a dps who happens to be a hybrid class emerges and speaks up in opposition to this attitude. Eventually, this counter-norm will relieve a lot of the pressure.<BR/><BR/>Another social phenomenon we'll see: in PuGs, hybrids will simply say they haven't purchased dual spec (even if they have). In guilds, you'll have to work it out amongst yourselves. But the difference between dual specs and now will be smaller within the guild compared to the pugs. I know my guild bank pays for hybrids to respec to healing temporarily when needed.Hatchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03615033343005638291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-78066384032076669022009-03-10T10:36:00.000-07:002009-03-10T10:36:00.000-07:00I think I got extremely lucky in the guild I found...I think I got extremely lucky in the guild I found - nobody is/will be asked, expected, or forced to respec, DPS "mains" will be given just as much priority as pure DPS, and so on. But sadly, I'm in the minority I think, and for most of WoW, I must sadly concur that you are correct, BoK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-54173427524545420522009-03-10T08:29:00.000-07:002009-03-10T08:29:00.000-07:00Cingy, this blog existed in vanilla WoW. See the h...Cingy, this blog existed in vanilla WoW. See the history, or the Paladin in Raids series on the sidebar for my views on paladins at that time.<BR/><BR/>Second, someone who wants to primarily DPS is different than someone who wants to primarily heal. Look, no loot system is going to give them priority on loot for both roles. They'll have to pick one. If Torch of Holy Fire drops, a full-time paladin healer is going to get it, not some part-time Ret.<BR/><BR/>I'm not saying that Ret paladins are incapable of healing. I'm just saying that a lot of DPS hybrids will end up healing more because there is a healer shortage and the cost of switching is so low.<BR/><BR/>Healing <I>is</I> a forced obligation if you don't want to heal. And there are a fair amount of hybrids who don't want to heal, who are attracted to the other aspects of the class.Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-20583379600951363022009-03-10T07:46:00.000-07:002009-03-10T07:46:00.000-07:00In Vanilla WoW, only Warriors could effectively ta...In Vanilla WoW, only Warriors could effectively tank raid content. That is no longer the case.<BR/><BR/>In vanilla WoW, DPS of hybrids couldn't stand in the shade of pure DPS classes DPS. That is no longer the case.<BR/><BR/>In TBC, shadow priests were the only mana battery class. That is no longer the case.<BR/><BR/>In vanilla WoW, this blog would probably have tried to convice the reader that Paladins could do more than spam FoL. The options of pally DPS wouldn't even have come up. <BR/><BR/>In between we had a period of priests complaining that they were no longer the healer par excellence and of warriors complaining that they were no longer be the tank par excellence.<BR/><BR/>I agree with the analyses above that apparently we will have 4 roles now; Tank, Healer, DPS and replenished. Blizz is doing their best to make all classes equal to their available roles, and compared to other mmorpgs they are not doing a bad job.<BR/><BR/>We are not back to vanilla WoW, we are going into 3.1.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-14654922481673884002009-03-10T07:38:00.000-07:002009-03-10T07:38:00.000-07:00I think I will be causing drama when If I get aske...I think I will be causing drama when If I get asked to become a healer temporarily.. or inbetween trash pulls,when I polietly advise, that I will need a port to a city to respec - I won't get the use of a healing duel spec to justifying paying for it, when I could be using a pvp spec on a daily basis.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-67635274297864721112009-03-10T07:01:00.000-07:002009-03-10T07:01:00.000-07:00I guess the question I have is:Are we now back to ...I guess the question I have is:<BR/><BR/>Are we now back to vanilla WoW, where all hybrids are healers?Lighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04132227882357014895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-48908676997072353722009-03-10T06:58:00.000-07:002009-03-10T06:58:00.000-07:00To Andrew:Yes, healing and tanking can be stressfu...To Andrew:<BR/><BR/>Yes, healing and tanking can be stressful and healers and tanks tend to burn out sooner. Also you don't get to see your name in the DPS list. Having played all three roles extensively I realize that very well.<BR/><BR/>It is hard to tell if someone chooses to heal or tank because that is the role they like best, or if they do it because there is no other raid spot available, or if they do it because they feel forced. There are many grey areas and mostly it will be a mix of things.<BR/><BR/>Back to the context of the original post: <BR/><BR/>The post categorizes the impact of dual spec between tank/healers and DPS and then states that DPS will be forced to heal. By doing so it is implied that DPS that heals as a second spec and a Healer that DPSes as a second spec should be treated differently.<BR/><BR/>My point is, that in basic abilities, the two are the same thing.<BR/><BR/>You then add, that some ex-healers don't want to heal because it is so stressful. How do you think a healer feels about that. Don't you think I would like a day off healing stress, or to roll on a DPS item without Mages, Warlocks and Shadow Priest complaining. Well, I do. <BR/><BR/>But you won't hear me complaining, because I view the games as a team effort, and I have specilized to be a healer, partly because that is what is needed in my guild.<BR/><BR/>What I won't accept is a DPS that can heal perfectly, to complain about switching role for the team. <BR/><BR/>In the end the story is about taking the perspective from individual considerations or from team considerations. The categories in the blog post come from the former.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-12991814622241056502009-03-10T06:55:00.000-07:002009-03-10T06:55:00.000-07:00No-one can argue there's a healer shortage. There ...No-one can argue there's a healer shortage. There was a tank shortage then dk's came along and fixed that, but in my eyes, someone that can heal especially at lower levels is a healer. Paladin, shaman, druid - I don't care who heals me. If they want the quests, rep and gear, they can heal. I don't think hybrids will get stiffed on gear. They'll most probably need to go healing with a healing set and whichever one they like, so if they need to heal, they need to heal properly, and enough mana to rez without needing a drink first would be good. As you can probably tell, my main's have usually all been tanks. To make up I've made a priest, and got her to 12 :). In aid of getting a run together I would love to be a healer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-68537779983016053602009-03-10T06:03:00.000-07:002009-03-10T06:03:00.000-07:00Whoops, that should have been destruction warlock....Whoops, that should have been destruction warlock.Lighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04132227882357014895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-11849012935240284622009-03-10T06:02:00.000-07:002009-03-10T06:02:00.000-07:00Kring, from what I have read the roles that provid...Kring, from what I have read the roles that provide replenishment are the lowest of the DPS specs for each class.<BR/><BR/>Demo warlock<BR/>Frost mage<BR/>Shadow priest<BR/>Ret pally<BR/>Survival hunter<BR/><BR/>What DPSer is going to lower their DPS to provide replenishment for their healers, unless forced to or they like that spec?<BR/><BR/>I honestly wouldn't want a healer who has been forced into healing. They aren't going to be good at it. Forcing people to do something they don't want is always a bad idea.Lighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04132227882357014895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-53666220711517117142009-03-10T05:41:00.000-07:002009-03-10T05:41:00.000-07:00Spot on. I simply can't understand where all the '...Spot on. I simply can't understand where all the 'pure' dps anxst is coming from.Merlothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12268596977879215079noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-15773979346456680672009-03-10T04:19:00.000-07:002009-03-10T04:19:00.000-07:00Clingy:From long, long experience: a lot of hybrid...Clingy:<BR/><BR/>From long, long experience: a lot of hybrid dps has had to fight a long hard battle to be allowed to do dps. DPS is fun. It's competitive. It's simple. It's less stressful.<BR/><BR/>Returning (or being 'forced' for the first time) to healing will be painful for a lot of people who have just burnt out.Andrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15663237279480121312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-26605826753600653262009-03-10T03:34:00.000-07:002009-03-10T03:34:00.000-07:00> For the "pure" DPS classes (rogues,...> For the "pure" DPS classes (rogues, mages, warlocks, hunters)<BR/>> dual specs are useful, but not game-changing. These classes<BR/>> will most probably end up using their second spec for PvP.<BR/><BR/>Actually, mages, warlocks, hunters are hybrids too with 3.1.<BR/><BR/>Ghostcrawler mentioned many times that there are now 4 rules:<BR/>o Tank<BR/>o Heal<BR/>o Dps<BR/>o Replenishment<BR/><BR/>Mages, warlocks, hunters are all capable to supply replenishment.<BR/>That might not be an issue for 25 mans but in a 10 man I would expect<BR/>that you might have to supply if from time to time. And I doubt it's<BR/>the preferred spec for these classes. I don't know about rogues.Kringhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03128630042421602039noreply@blogger.com