tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post8736811397921329306..comments2024-01-04T02:49:23.470-08:00Comments on Blessing of Kings: Healer HubrisRohanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comBlogger117125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-49893218391325604292010-04-19T22:41:54.713-07:002010-04-19T22:41:54.713-07:00I liked the blog. I play a mage as my main charact...I liked the blog. I play a mage as my main character (super geared), and now refuse to pug because the tanks can't hold ANY threat anymore in a pug daily heroic. Since I don't need the badges I don't sweat it too much.<br /><br />I have more of a problem with the pugs on my alt healer. I also stand by the healer code "I'll TRY to keep you up as best as I can, but if you are being retarded I'm not gonna cry over your death". I've had to put a LOT of people on my ignore list simply because they are BAD. Usually it's the super-undergeared tank using up my entire mana bar per pull that makes me go "really? at least let me rest".<br /><br />I'm not undergeared by far on my alt, and I'm well-known for my good healing. I just REALLY hate chain pulling, undergeared tanks with less hp then me trying to act like complete dumbasses.<br /><br />As per the original blog...I've seen the rank watch ONCE. In a BG, someone made it an /emote...drove me nuts. If I saw it in a tell during a heroic, I'd be like oh shit. But in a BG srsly? Most people on this server are super undergeared for pvp, and half of them already play like crap.<br /><br />I am HAPPY to see that rank watch on my server. We're the only horde progression guild, and there is a LOT of fail. I warn everyone before I start to heal that if they suck too much (standing fire), I'm leaving. I don't have the time or the patience to try and keep morons alive like that. But, I do at least try.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-39432017215750051242010-03-24T10:05:48.025-07:002010-03-24T10:05:48.025-07:00Interesting blog - interesting responses - yes the...Interesting blog - interesting responses - yes there are idiots out there and do you like to belong to them? your choice - as a tank you tank, as a healer you heal - if folks act up - don't sweat it - don't become a prick yourself - tank and heal and get this over with - mostly 15-25 min of your life max - can't deal with it - don't pug - I am a healer and don't like to see anybody dying - never let anybody die intentionally - if a DPS or tank acts arrogant - I tell them - letting them die is not an option - have I met all sorts of idiots in PUGs.. to often, will I continue to do so.. sure.. it's part of the gameMarkushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14473392516850560567noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-89726761981326082292010-03-23T00:48:28.921-07:002010-03-23T00:48:28.921-07:00I like the point that the last anonymous had :D
I...I like the point that the last anonymous had :D<br /><br />I pretty much do the same thing: I'm just there to get my emblems, preferably quickly. Though if you do something dumb and I don't manage to heal you, I won't feel bad if you die. The only group of people that I won't heal are those who find it necessary to be incredibly offensive in party chat. I'm talking serious racism, sexism, homophobia etc. But I made a grouping macro which says that behaviour will make me drop group, so they have been warned.<br /><br />Oh, I did once only occasionally heal the tank, rather than keeping him at full all the time. He pulled 3 or 4 groups before I'd had a chance to buff the whole group, and he was out there on his own because the DPS hadn't even managed to catch up. So I figured he was looking for a challenge :D He didn't die though. <br /><br />I'm starting to think I need a macro for my DPS alt that I'm levelling. I mean surely by now tanks know that the healer needs mana to be able to heal them O_o Had one guy curse us out and drop group because he died because he'd gone 3 pulls in a row without letting the healer drink and the healer had no mana. This was in SM. Conversely, low level paladin tanks win because in another SM group the pally tank would pull about 1/4 of the instance in one pull, then let everyone drink to full and go again. So fun ^_^<br /><br />/wafflingKatherinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-49475213626346666462010-03-12T04:50:41.614-08:002010-03-12T04:50:41.614-08:00I will always do everything I can as a healer to k...I will always do everything I can as a healer to keep the entire party alive regardless of anyone screwing up. I pop any and all cool downs and even potions if needed. No warnings, no complaints.<br /><br />Why would I do this? I believe every bit of non trivial healing experience helps to make me a better player which would in turn contribute to my success in progression raids.<br /><br />I could care less if letting people die would help make them better players. I have zero interest in what random pugs gain from runs with me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-24310684727106521282010-03-10T07:33:11.883-08:002010-03-10T07:33:11.883-08:00Actually as an active user of dual-spec on my toon...Actually as an active user of dual-spec on my toons (Tanks & Heals) I've been equally thankful and ashamed, when rankwatch informed me, that some spells are of lower than possible rank.<br />Until the first notification I wasn't aware, that there is an issue with dual-spec-leveled toons.<br />So I have no problem with that addon, I'll update the spells after the current situation has been cleared.<br /><br />Regarding the Original Post:<br />As a Healer I'll heal people if they stand in the fire for a short time. But if they just ignore their surrounding like the laser in the Brann event, I'll let them die.<br />It's not a Healers task to cure stupidity. ;-)Sargenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-88296015368022567682010-03-03T05:49:37.547-08:002010-03-03T05:49:37.547-08:00Another healer here.
The guy in your story is clea...Another healer here.<br />The guy in your story is clearly a twit.<br /><br />When I'm on my healer main I heal all, except the dps who pull in place of tank after they've been warned twice.<br /><br />Anyway, I have been leveling a mage (lev 65) lately, and many times I ended up grouped with a healer and 3 melées. 80% of the runs are chain pulls, pulling groups of 5-6 mobs when healer is at 30% mana. Healer is always frantic, and my dps is ofc lower than it could be.<br /><br />Me or healer always ask the group to give a mana break at least beforethe bosses, but it seems they don't understand English, and they never answer or stop.<br /><br />Leveling has become so terribly easy that new players get to level 80 without the slightest idea of game mechanics and their classes.<br /><br />You NEED to let them die because unfortunately it is the only way you have to teach them the game basics.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09676006650227501690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-44375784365767962752010-02-27T14:37:31.631-08:002010-02-27T14:37:31.631-08:00Once I was in a normal WotLK dungeon (don't re...Once I was in a normal WotLK dungeon (don't remember which) while I was leveling my Paladin, and I got 2 Rankwatch messages from one of the other group members letting me know that both my Blessing of Wisdom and Holy Light spells were a rank or two behind. When I checked into it and saw it was correct, I was mortified by my own noobishness to have come into a dungeon run unprepared that way.<br /><br />Did I freak out at the guy whose add-on whispered me like that, completely unsolicited, or place them on /ignore? No...I said "wow, thanks for letting me know that, I don't know how that could have happened" and he pointed out that it's a common mistake due to the secondary spec not updating your bars when spells are purchased on the primary, or vice versa, and said he was glad he could help me. This made perfect sense, since I was leveling in Ret and doing dungeons in Holy.<br /><br />Seriously, if Rankwatch discreetly letting you know you are accidentally using the wrong spell ranks, a common mistake anyone could make, offends you, you have some serious issues with insecurity of something. Man up, fix your spells and say "thank you" to the person was helpful enough to let you know.Seriously?noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-28809738708417984782010-02-26T19:18:42.996-08:002010-02-26T19:18:42.996-08:00Wow, that's awful.
When I'm healing, ther...Wow, that's awful.<br /><br />When I'm healing, there's only one instance where I'll let someone die--that's if they're standing in 'the crap' (void zones, fire) and not moving. <br /><br />Then again, I have had situations in PUGs where the four platewearing puggies from the same guild decided to 'test' me in UP by standing on the bombs/in the dragonbreath/etc....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02527127444421214972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-59775865194592803772010-02-26T17:35:37.230-08:002010-02-26T17:35:37.230-08:00I hate rankwatch with the fiery passion of a thous...I hate rankwatch with the fiery passion of a thousand burning suns.<br /><br />Honestly, it wouldn't be so bad if it was a sentence or two saying "Hey, your (spell) is lower than max rank. If this is on purpose, please ignore. Thanks!" That would not annoy me.<br /><br />But no. It has to be THREE FREAKING WHISPERS FULL of spam. That's annoying, uncalled for, and it fills up my chatlog, maybe makes me miss something important in guild chat or party chat. <br /><br />It's an instant /ignore. I won't stop healing you for it, I won't not taunt off you for it, but it instantly sets me on edge and is really uncalled for. As long as the run goes smoothly, what do you care if I'm using mangle rank one or rank two?<br /><br />We're not talking about people doing stupid stuff like hunters meleeing, or druids meleeing in caster form (yes, I have seen it). That's the kind of instances where "I play my way!" goes out the window. This is the kind of stuff that, and this is important, <i>you wouldn't know about without your addon</i>.<br /><br />If you wouldn't even know about it without your addon, is it really all that important? Really?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-41718917668774421392010-02-26T14:12:27.105-08:002010-02-26T14:12:27.105-08:00I've never seen a thread shine so much light o...I've never seen a thread shine so much light on the justifications people are willing to create for adversely affecting the success their own group.<br /><br />Remember people, there is no "I" in "Emblems of Frost."Austinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02796775642706066976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-84579563310494896182010-02-26T11:01:05.879-08:002010-02-26T11:01:05.879-08:00No no, my friend, they downloaded that mode SPECIF...<i>No no, my friend, they downloaded that mode SPECIFICALLY to be douches, since the "others" didn't ask for their help. As stated before, i know what my fireball crits should be like, i'm doing fine on my own, thank you very much. That kind of SPAM is the last thing i need.</i><br /><br />No, you <b>don't</b> know why I installed it. And if you <i>had</i> run it, you would have <br /><br />a) never seen a Rankwatch message because you would already know about your problem spells<br /><br />and<br /><br />b) you would see that the damned thing lights up like a pinball machine at the start of 75% of PUGs and 99% of BGs. This isn't a 1% problem. You wouldn't even be bitching it it was just a 1% problem for you, because you would have only seen 1, maybe 2 messages. The sad fact is that you are a flake who can't keep up with your alt-itis. Pick a main, play it for a while, and you might at least learn how to play <i>one</i> class well.Phelpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06270536870200063563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-44462826173655975492010-02-26T11:01:01.438-08:002010-02-26T11:01:01.438-08:00East Coast Insider: So you can't be bothered t...East Coast Insider: <i>So you can't be bothered to heal someone outside of combat because it's not "battle damage"? How do you think they got that damage in the first place? Even the warlock, it's faster for him to lifetap than to drink.</i><br /><br />Nope, I can't be bothered. Either I'm drinking too, or we can go ahead and pull. I don't care about how someone is roxxing the dps meter. It is usually better threat-wise if they spend the first 5 seconds of the pull eating anyways.<br /><br />Note that at no point in any of those did I give a reason to not heal the tank, except when it would cause me to pull aggro. <br /><br />Kring: <i>But there isn't any fire before level 80. And even there it doesn't hurt. </i><br /><br />Wrong, and wrong. l2p a healer. Just because healers have powered you through it before doesn't mean it's painless.<br /><br />I don't care if DPS learns or not. I'm not holding the heals until they get out of the fire to try to teach some lesson. I'm holding them because there is a good chance that they are going to <i>die anyways</i> if they don't move. The difference is me blowing 3 GCDs , a defensive cooldown that ought to go on the tank and a stack of mana on someone who id dead either way.<br /><br />Rhii: <i>I hate HATE Rankwatch. I hate it at 80, but I hate it even worse before that.<br /><br />It spams up a big long message on my chat box that I don't have time to read cause I'm in combat. Half the time I think it's important (GM related) because most of my tells are, so I stop to read it anddddd...</i><br /><br />You know what? I've never seen a Rankwatch message incomming, just outgoing. You know why? <i>Because I keep up with my trainings</i>, and even if I didn't, since I run it myself, it would warn me if I missed one. Almost all of the responses I've gotten on it are positive, in the "I didn't even know I needed to train" or "I didn't realize my button was broken" vein. Apparently, your attitude is, "the only problem I have with doing a sub-par job is if someone points it out."<br /><br />Kensai: <i>It's real easy. Due to your fuck ups a tank or a healer has to work up to 6 times more to keep aggro or keep someone alive. Unless i'm on your payroll, once you do that, once you make my life harder, you're on my shitlist.</i><br /><br />Yup. And the dumbasses always seem to do it on mobs that either silence, fear, or have knockbacks. "Gee, you know what's better than three mobs that make things a pain in the ass to heal, DPS <i>and</i> tank regardless of your gear? Twelve of those mobs!"<br /><br /><i>You can see the gear difference because you have that blasted gear score add on. Or you're a nazi yourself and inspect people. How about, it's not you goddamn business ? How about, i want to dps with a sombrero and a diamond tipped cane and look pimp while i do it ?</i><br /><br />Die in a fire. Yes, I inspect people. And no, if you aren't going to do your part by making an effort to mitigate damage and play your class, I'm not going to make an effort to try to heal through your fashion sense.<br /><br /><i>The world of world of warcraft is filled with peppy little youngsters that joined the game somewhere between half-way tbc and last week, and think everything is a race, and you're in the lead.</i><br /><br />I got news for you, junior, I've been healing since Molten Core was the only raid around besides UBRS/LBRS. I had Benediction when it was BiS. You don't impress me with how wrinkled your epeen is.<br /><br />l2p. Yeah, it's a MMORPG. The MMO matters mas much as the RPG. <i>I don't have to group with you.</i> If you want to be an asshat, do it in front of the bank in IF. Don't do it in my group and expect me to heal your asshattery.Phelpshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06270536870200063563noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-25373845646923465472010-02-26T10:26:01.436-08:002010-02-26T10:26:01.436-08:00I just had a very similar experience in a heroic. ...I just had a very similar experience in a heroic. I was tanking HoS, and hadn't specified that I only had enough time to quickly run just The Tribunal and Sjonnir. I admit I should have made it clear to the healer (the 3 dpsers knew this, as they were all guild-mates), but his reaction to my "Im sorry mate, but I really have to go offline in 5 minutes" was to refuse to heal me on Sjonnir. Thankfully, ICC 10 gear means I managed to keep myself up, and I thought maybe he had disconnected. Instead, what I got when asked was "Sorry, didn't hav time to heal, retard". Wow, talk about petty, eh?Mark Lnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-30207585600621961572010-02-26T09:54:00.862-08:002010-02-26T09:54:00.862-08:00FYI, "Abolish Poison" is *not* strictly ...FYI, "Abolish Poison" is *not* strictly better than "Cure Poison", especially if there are other people in the group who can cure poison, and if the poison is not being re-applied at a high rate.<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />"Abolish Poison" puts a buff on the target. The buff ticks, and when a tick goes off, poison is removed.<br /><br />"Cure Poison" is more like "Remove Curse" -- if there's a poison on the target, it removes it.<br /><br />What's the difference? A target with no poison.<br /><br />Let's say there's a retadin in the group who's watching for poisons and is fast on the Clique button. If they remove a poison and then you cast "Abolish", you put the "Abolish" buff on the target.<br /><br />But if they remove a poison and then you cast Cure, the cast *fails*. You have not spent the mana, and you have not spent the *GCD*. This can be *considerably* more efficient under the right circumstances. If you're in a fight where every GCD matters, this can actually be life-and-death.<br /><br />So, if that mod has a list of spells where you might legitimately want to cast the "lower rank", this really ought to be on that list (same with "Abolish Disease" for priests).Doug DeJuliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06856003396904359565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-49700775832409759162010-02-26T08:10:48.831-08:002010-02-26T08:10:48.831-08:00I agree with your comment that a person should per...I agree with your comment that a person should perform the task that they signed up for in a group situation. I'm sorry that the healer in your situation was a jerk. However, isn't it hypocritical to drop group the way you did? Think of it this way - you signed up as a tank to tank an instance. Yet by dropping group to not deal with that childish healer you not only deprived that individual but also three others that had no idea why you simply left. Not to mention those poor DPS probably waited 45 mins or more simply to get into the dungeon in the first place. If you're going to sign up as a tank then tank it regardless. If you did not want to deal with that healer then that is why the ignore list exists. It's just unfair to the others and makes you out in the same light as that bad healer.Author Wendy Mayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17861423379971707836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-17124349317971813672010-02-26T08:03:57.779-08:002010-02-26T08:03:57.779-08:00My main has been a Holy Paladin for most of WoW...My main has been a Holy Paladin for most of WoW's history. As a healer I joked about letting dps die with other healers, particularly after raid wipes where people failed the fight mechanics. But at worst I deprioritized a dps after they were warned to stop standing in fire / pulling aggro. I would heal other people first if several people got damaged at the same time and I would not use Holy Shock on them.<br /><br />Lately I have been going Retribution for pugs. But being a dps pugger is proving frustrating too. Earlier this week I taunted two mobs off of the healer and he refused to heal me at all. About 18 seconds later I died. Yes, ideally the tank would have grabbed them but she had been letting some through and never got them off of me. The healer explained it away saying he didn’t notice the mobs on himself before I Righteous Defense’d them off so he decided I must have body pulled some extras and deserved to die. <br /><br />Is the lesson here to never try to protect the healer in a pug? Just focus on dps and ignore utility?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-62181304870786730362010-02-26T07:01:50.241-08:002010-02-26T07:01:50.241-08:00I'm in the Rampage battle group. I've not...I'm in the Rampage battle group. I've noticed a very annoying trend with pug healers - specifically druids - lately. They don't go tree. They stay in elf form. And they starfire. And they wrath. And they hurricane. And let DPS die when DPS is NOT standing in crap. When DPS is NOT pulling aggro. <br /><br />Last night for example. H-OK. Trash pulls. Hunter dies twice because tree is busy DPSing. (Hunter's doing 4k dps, I'm doing 3k at the time on my ret pally. DPS is covered.) <br /><br />Hunter drops group and tree LOLs. Pull second boss. I die. Tree? DPSing. When I ask him to heal, he tells me to DPS harder. <br /><br />This is not an isolate incident. It happens daily. If you don't want to heal, DON'T QUEUE AS A HEALER.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08329955047754142940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-53112671622704372392010-02-26T05:18:44.267-08:002010-02-26T05:18:44.267-08:00The only reason to let a DPS die is if the tank w...The only reason to let a DPS die is if the tank will die if you take the time to heal them. You are better off leaving and finding a new group than letting a DPS die and then rubbing their face in it. Doing so only creates animosity between group members and makes the whole situation worse. Just keep on healing through their mistakes then move on with your life.serbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09341831990117247398noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-3466742127324847572010-02-26T03:33:34.132-08:002010-02-26T03:33:34.132-08:00First what a terrible player - even if they didn&#...First what a terrible player - even if they didn't have the money to train the next higher spell at the time, a simple "I couldn't afford it" was all the was needed. <br /><br />On the flip side, I have willingly let tanks and DPS die. Though it has never been my intent to punish them, there are times when letting a tank or DPS die will save the group. The DPS that keeps stealing aggro and refuses to slow down in case they might lose #1 on the DPS meter. The tank that stacks attack power and critical strike, and passes on dropping tank gear.<br /><br />Ok, those examples come off like I am punishing them, but the few times this has been a problem, I was never thinking "this will teach them" but instead "if I keep having to heal this heavy on one person, I am going to lose everyone."<br /> <br />Since getting Beacon of Light, I find this happens less often. ;DEiblihttp://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Galakrond&cn=Eiblinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-26991068174550226452010-02-26T02:47:27.996-08:002010-02-26T02:47:27.996-08:00Seriously, using rankwatch is asking for it. Its l...Seriously, using rankwatch is asking for it. Its like telling a stranger they smell bad. Even if its true, telling them to their face is rude. If you really care about the spells someone casts then stay grouped with em after wards and ask if its ok to give some advice or something.higgonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-57717285579843851192010-02-26T01:20:39.075-08:002010-02-26T01:20:39.075-08:00How is you leaving a group as a low level tank dif...How is you leaving a group as a low level tank different to him letting you die? You're both being small.<br /><br />I personally don't find RankWatch offensive because it's useful information, but I do take exception to people's attitudes. Had a HC group on my tank DK where the healer said "you better pull quickly tank, or I'm leaving" like he was some sort of rock star priest demanding that the bowl of M&Ms he gets after the concert "better not have any brown ones". <br /><br />You can bet your ass I pulled as slow as possible and stopped to explain the boss tactics. Some of the bosses didn't even have tactics, so I explained Kael'thas P1-P5 instead.<br /><br />Healer left before second boss.<br /><br />If he'd said "Hi guys, I have to be X at X o'clock so I don't have much time. Please could you hurry" then we'd have been best mates for life.jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14402618892033359040noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-84385924935810744372010-02-26T01:01:35.769-08:002010-02-26T01:01:35.769-08:00No one can really object to rankwatch this much, c...No one can really object to rankwatch this much, can then? Sure, no one likes being caught with their fly down, and it's embarrassing when someone tells you. But it's better someone takes you aside and tells you, then lets you get up on stage and address a crowd with it down. That's what rankwatch does.Zanathosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-90892586676232218902010-02-26T00:52:53.753-08:002010-02-26T00:52:53.753-08:00Holy crap on a cracker, Kensai. I don't think...Holy crap on a cracker, Kensai. I don't think I've ever seen anyone spontaneously herniate with quite the same incendiary, self-indignant gusto you've displayed here.<br /><br />And you're doing it over a whisper. A WHISPER. JUST IGNORE IT and save yourself a trip to the emergency room. Or the loony bin, because you are directly out of your ranting mind.<br /><br />Please tell me your main's name and which server you play on...PLEASE. If you're in my battlegroup, I'm SO torn between putting you on ignore or hoping to GOD I get you in my group so I can see your meltdown when my RankWatch taps your shoulder. <br /><br />Get help. Seriously.Seedcakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-41660652780133707422010-02-26T00:48:08.962-08:002010-02-26T00:48:08.962-08:00I don't let people die because I don't lik...I don't let people die because I don't like them, but it is important to not heal people who are not doing their part to avoid dmg.<br /><br />Good healing can reinforce bad habits.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-82019782911105562010-02-26T00:40:32.233-08:002010-02-26T00:40:32.233-08:00Well, that healer sounds like a jerk worth avoidin...Well, that healer sounds like a jerk worth avoiding. I have on occation allowed dps to die when they repeatedly refuse to stop standing in fire/ice/whirlwind etc etc, but letting the tank die is just silly.<br /><br />Rankwatch though... Thats also a bit of a jerk thing to have running. Why did you make it your business to tell him to use abolish instead of cure? Sounds like you're the kind of guy who goes through other peoples gear judging their gem-choices then mocking them for not following the guides on elitist jerks.<br /><br />I would probably have finished the instance then put you on ignore so i would never have to deal with you again.Sanjassinoreply@blogger.com