tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post3890866091991179031..comments2024-01-04T02:49:23.470-08:00Comments on Blessing of Kings: Living with Loot CouncilRohanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-34195487281655009912010-11-12T00:57:46.102-08:002010-11-12T00:57:46.102-08:00I think adopting Loot Council towards the end of t...I think adopting Loot Council towards the end of the expansion is meaning you aren't noticing a factor that will play out later that is to the advantage of Loot Council. Our Loot Council works superbly in 10 man because the item will drop again. With only a month left Loot is an odd creature. When you are just starting out on a new tier there will (hopefully) be more of an attitude of 'ah I'll get it next time'.<br /><br />@ Dontatsu I agree. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and one of the greatest difficulties with Loot Council for my guild hasn't been drama - its been hindsight.<br /><br />You also have to accept the Council WILL make errors. They're only human.Morrighanhttp://morrighan13.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-16598954034691257662010-11-05T16:01:15.350-07:002010-11-05T16:01:15.350-07:00" If you guys were putting in some serious at..." If you guys were putting in some serious attempts at Heroic Lich King and your disc priest wasn't up to par then this was really the best/only decision to make in terms of helping the entire raid group as a whole (probably on par with gearing up your tanks). While it sucks that they left after receiving their loot, you can't really blame that on the loot council system itself. It made the best decision based on the facts currently available to it."<br /><br />This would be persuasive except for the fact that one of the main justifications for the imposition of Loot Council was that DKP was more prone to this problem since a Loot Council would sense the unreliable player who was about to quit and would not give him gear. In fact, people leave with any system and Loot Council is not better than DKP. The advantage of DKP as with any market is that the best person to "value" a piece of gear is the player who knows his needs and desires. When Loot Council was being debated those backing it claimed it was superior to the "market pricing mechanism" not just equal.Dontatsunoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-46613110399807791152010-11-03T10:30:57.852-07:002010-11-03T10:30:57.852-07:00My raid uses loot council, but the council really ...My raid uses loot council, but the council really just decides which people should roll on the item. Generally, almost everybody who linked will end up rolling. For tokens, we just used a list, where people were handed out tokens evenly. It keeps some of the advantages of "pure loot council", while reducing the politics involved. This also makes life easier for the people who are on the loot council. I don't know if you've participated in one, but it can be fairly agonizing trying to figure out who deserves things, even with the roll hybrid I mentioned above.Argonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-17176661273167610762010-11-03T09:14:08.284-07:002010-11-03T09:14:08.284-07:00Loot council sounds horrible.
I think there shou...Loot council sounds horrible. <br /><br />I think there should always be an effort-reward balance. When very desirable loot drops, it's nice to see the people who have put in the most effort getting that loot. Effort is best measured with some sort of point system. <br /><br />If a disc priest has enough effort points to get 4 tokens in a row, then they put in the effort and I don't care if they quit afterwards.<br /><br />My biggest complaint about point systems is the obvious collusion between competitors for the same gear type.Big Healshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17873414754638330124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-91232372383810324882010-11-03T08:27:59.012-07:002010-11-03T08:27:59.012-07:00Have you ever tried the EPGP loot addon system. I ...Have you ever tried the EPGP loot addon system. I am huge proponent of this system. I'd love to hear anyones thoughts on it who has used this system becuase I believe it is very fair and reliable.Porkchopnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-61613589966286945592010-11-03T08:19:20.227-07:002010-11-03T08:19:20.227-07:00The most dangerous thing about relying on a loot c...The most dangerous thing about relying on a loot council instead of on an open and transparent system is that usually the loot council is also in a position of authority in some other fashion, such as raid spots, guild ranks, etc. This can lead to an inefficient system where members that feel negatively about decisions made by the loot council will feel compelled to keep their opinions to themselves. The raid might be negatively impacted at a later date by a group of people "suddenly and unexpectedly" expressing their displeasure by raid-jumping.<br /><br />A loot council can consider quite a few things, make what they think is a 100% fair decision, not favor themselves at all, and still have bitter and disgruntled raiders who won't even tell them about it. The two easiest ways to get massive raid drama are a change in rules to DKP, and every single time the loot council meets.Jonathannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-76430105059363396202010-11-03T08:04:07.507-07:002010-11-03T08:04:07.507-07:00DarthRegis, That's not a serious possibility, ...DarthRegis, That's not a serious possibility, given the time span involved. If this had happened much closer to the release of Wrath, or with a newer player then yes, that's a possibility.Rohanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09090769681887119989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-68723102200088246052010-11-03T07:39:35.330-07:002010-11-03T07:39:35.330-07:00You also left out the distict possibility that the...You also left out the distict possibility that the perso with the "worst" cloak didn't have the Emblem cloak because they couldn't afford it yet. If that were the case, it wouldn't make it an "error in judgement" on the LC's account.<br /><br />Just sayin'.Darthregishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10319251914537986903noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-48331902568146480672010-11-03T06:26:55.968-07:002010-11-03T06:26:55.968-07:00With regards to the two decisions you did not agre...With regards to the two decisions you did not agree with:<br /><br />1. I feel like there was some relevant information left out about this decision. While giving out loot to a person who needs it(benefits) the most is one factor, there is also attendance, number of items recently received, and performance that I would imagine get factored in as well. <br /><br />2. If you guys were putting in some serious attempts at Heroic Lich King and your disc priest wasn't up to par then this was really the best/only decision to make in terms of helping the entire raid group as a whole (probably on par with gearing up your tanks). While it sucks that they left after receiving their loot, you can't really blame that on the loot council system itself. It made the best decision based on the facts currently available to it.Infinitumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17215883213920405632noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20292755.post-71595998314605479222010-11-03T05:18:04.074-07:002010-11-03T05:18:04.074-07:00I completely agree. The team must accept the loot ...I completely agree. The team must accept the loot system and it will succeed. <br /><br />But to do so, it must be obvious and stable. I mean it's one of the most important (if not the most important) feature of the guild. If you change DKP overnight to LC (or back), you can end up with leaving members, since the loot rule can change once more against their will.Gevlonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072766785893313616noreply@blogger.com