I'm creating this thread hoping to greatly reduce the influx of PMs and tells I get regarding our mastery. Keep in mind that is pretty much only for 25 man raids; I see some potential uses for this in 10 man, but for the most part it probably won't be as useful in a 10 man scenario.
The Firelands fights come in two categories: sustained AoE damage stages and no AoE damage/AoE damage that Holy Radiance isn't suited to heal. Beth'tilac, Lord Ryolith, Domo and the ground phase of Alysrazor are all mostly based around AoE healing for sustained amounts of time while while Alysrazor air phase, Shannox, Baleroc and Ragnaros are fights where Holy Radiance isn't even worth casting.
For the AoE fights, all we really have going for us is Holy Radiance and Light of Dawn, while all of the other healers are able to pump out AoE heals nearly non-stop. Now the way I look at it is that someone still needs to heal the tank and that since Paladins are pretty horrible at sustained AoE healing, a 25 man raid may as well put one or two Holy Paladins on full time tank healing and just have them Holy Radiance on cooldown.
For the non AoE healing fights, Paladins have the choice to choose between tank healing or... tank healing. Casting Holy Lights and Lights of Dawn on the raid simply doesn't compare to Chain Heal/Wild Growth/Circle of Healing/Prayer of Healing.
My guild's healing team is flexible enough to allow for a Paladin to have a weaker Holy Radiance in order to have more powerful tank healing. This translates in the AoE healers having to spend less time on the tank and more time doing what they're good at.
How does this relate to mastery? The golden rule of tanking and healing is that when it comes to handling damage, the best to worst order to do it in is this: completely avoiding the damage, mitigating the damage, healing the damage with a very large amount of fast heals, healing the damage with slow and large heals. Mastery helps mitigate damage and in some cases, completely avoid it. The reason why mitigating damage is so good is because it leads to reduced frequency of spikes in the tank's health and when spikes do occur, it makes them less pronounced, which in turn means that other healers don't panic and waste cooldowns or inefficient heals on the tank. Before the 4.2 change to make Mastery shield stack, the stat was mostly useless because such a huge portion of the shield was wasted on any given heal that gearing for Haste for faster reaction times was something pretty much every Holy Paladin agreed to being the better choice. But now we're in a position where Mastery is finally viable for a Paladin who wants to focus on tank healing.
The most important thing to note about healing with a Mastery set is that you sacrifice throughput in order to become a more effective tank healer. [Emphasis mine.] Your Holy Radiance (and mana regen) will be weaker than a Paladin who is going for a more balanced approach to gearing or a Paladin going for Haste. But in turn, you'll be putting a downright overpowered shield on the tank every time you heal him directly. And don't kid yourselves: if you're able to reduce the average hit the tank takes by 10k because of the Mastery shield, what you're doing is very nearly game breaking. The shield simply is that good for keeping tanks alive. What a full set of mastery comes down to is your guild's capacity to support one of its healers focus less on raid healing and more on tank healing.
Even if your guild can't (or won't) support a Paladin will a full mastery set, every Paladin should try to get off pieces with mastery on them so they can use them for Shannox, Baleroc and Ragnaros at the very least.
If you look at his gearset, he's gemming and reforging according to the following priorities:
Mastery > Intellect > Spirit > Haste > Crit
This has a lot of drawbacks. It's hyper-specialized for tank healing, and possibly even single-tank healing (no off-Beacon healing).
Now, you probably shouldn't run out and switch to this right away. But any time someone from a top Royalty guild like Premonition or Paragon says something that contradicts common wisdom, it's worth taking a good long look at the situation.
I'm curious as to why he thinks this wouldn't be as useful for a 10 man healer. One would think that the shields would be even more gamebreaking on that scale.
ReplyDeleteIt's not as effective in a 10-man environment because as a healer in 10-man, you have to be more versatile. In 25-man raids, if you are the tank healer you have the joy of sticking strictly to the tank. You may not have that luxury, depending on the mechanics, in 10-man raids.
ReplyDeleteExactly, in 25mans your running 6 healers and if someone is dragging ass the others can cover it, but in 10man, if one person isnt pulling their weight especially in AOE fights you are going to have a hell of a time keeping people alive.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry to to say this but Zaroua is a little off kilter with this. Even before the patch he was touting mastery as a very important stat. He seems to be stuck in the WoTLK attitude that effective health is king. It's not.
ReplyDeleteFor healing one tank his mastery build is okay but still unnecessary. In that same thread Zaroua said he heals his beacon target the entire fight.
If shield were really that gamebreaking a disc priest could do it better anyway.
I actually asked Zaroua about this the other day. He likes to spec outside of the box, on purpose.
ReplyDeleteIf you recall, Zaroua was also one of the very few holy paladins in Wrath that favored Flash of Light over Holy Light. Even though HL was generally the better spell, FoL did allow for smoother and truly unlimited healing.
While I can agree with his post, he admits that there is a cost. If you're willing to go and respec for every encounter, then mastery has a place on certain fights. And, if you're Paragon and working on brand new heroic encounters, then respec'ing for every single fight is probably the norm anyway.
The ability to cast big shields would come at the cost of Spirit or Haste, meaning the shields wouldn't come that often, and the casting Paladin would be out of mana before the end of the fight. Still, I'd like to see what happens if or when Zaroua goes entirely with Mastery.
ReplyDeleteI am the biggest critic against our mastery, but after reading this post I figured I should give it a shot. Last night, with 14% mastery I was proc’ing anywhere between 10-12k shields on Divine/Holy light crits and 5-8 on holy shocks. I can defiantly see the benefit of this build as a Solo tank healer, with no other job but to slam your specific tank. I had 2 pieces of true haste gear. Even without all the haste gear and between 10man raid buffs/judgment I was still ripping out spells fairly quickly. On AOE intensive areas this build is pointless, but on a Shannox where I was healing the dog tank, then the MT after the dogs were dead my constant 8-12k shields seemed to help the tanks out big time. That being said in the encounters we have now, especially in a 10man raid group I still favor the haste build/gear set, it always us to be much more dynamic... but if we ever went back to 25man, i would give this some serious thought.
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ReplyDeleteI think the real issue isn't that shielding is necessarily 'preferable' but that the actual return on shielding is much greater than the return on direct heals due to overhealing. So strictly comparing hps based on a theoretical 0% overhealing doesn't do justice to the value of mastery for Holy Paladins.
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